Comments on: Court Rules Against Vindictive Mother in Lesbian Custody Case

By: Stephen

Stephen — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:33:53 +0000

This case is so clear and so typical. It should serve as a warning to men, women straights and gays. Imagine using anti-gay laws for revenge. I've been away a while but this story places me firmly back into reality. I don't agree with the lesbian lifestyle but I really feel sympathy for the social mothers who are denied visitation. Discounts or excuses for the custodial mother, anyone?

By: Penumbrook

Penumbrook — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:00:58 +0000

I welcome gay marriages exactly for this reason. When fathers advocates can clearly demonstrate a preponderance of judicial rulings that are equitable between gay couples, judges will have little excuse for continuing punitive law against all social parents, including fathers.

By: jerry

jerry — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:50:48 +0000

One thing that's interesting about some of these cases is that the lesbian biological mothers are so vindictive towards their former partners that they will gladly use anti-gay laws as a way to drive them out of their children's lives

They will rationalize their choices the same way they rationalize the abuse of the courts they inflict on the fathers. Their partner had it coming, and it was all because she was the best parent for the children. Won't someone think of the children?

By: jerry

jerry — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:51:41 +0000

Won't someone think of closing their html tags?

By: Kevin C

Kevin C — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:56:45 +0000

Penumbrook
"I welcome gay marriages exactly for this reason. When fathers advocates can clearly demonstrate a preponderance of judicial rulings that are equitable between gay couples, judges will have little excuse for continuing punitive law against all social parents, including fathers."

Be careful what you wish for my friend.

The very nature of some one proclaiming a lesbian life style speaks volumes in itself. It should come as no surprise that the person will say and do anything to support their desirers. Once men make it clear that they will no longer take our current position, women will play a big part in changing the laws. Women (like men) want to be seen as working for good (certainly for the good of the children). As it stands the majority of the people are not paying attention. When this flood gate opens it will come as a complete surprise to many. That is why we can not bad mouth all women. Soon there will come a point when people must take a side and I care not to push anyone away who may be of help.

All the best

By: AnonymousPamphleteer

AnonymousPamphleteer — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:14:35 +0000

This proves that the courts ARE fully capable of ruling against a woman.

As long as they are still ruling in favor of a woman.

How encouraging.

By: jerry

jerry — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 05:57:39 +0000

This proves that the courts ARE fully capable of ruling against a woman.

As long as they are still ruling in favor of a woman.

How encouraging.

I fear the AP is correct again.

By: Danny

Danny — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:27:13 +0000

AP:
This proves that the courts ARE fully capable of ruling against a woman.

As long as they are still ruling in favor of a woman.

How encouraging.

Yeah my head is still spinning on that one too.

By: Ray

Ray — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:01:22 +0000

"When heterosexual women do this, our society makes excuses for them and assumes that the ex-husband must have done something bad to merit it. With these lesbian breakups we can see the truth much clearer--some women (straight or gay) are vindictive, and this vindictiveness drives them to purge their exes from their children’s lives."

Clearly, that kind of abuse (parental alienation) is domestic violence.

By: ed

ed — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:01:58 +0000

My fear is that in establishing social parents as having equal rights with bio parents will put biological fathers at odds with step fathers for "equal rights" in parenting. now you have 2 against 1 in a court battle (parent AND social parent vs. parent) and you knock down a fathers default time to 1/3 to be "fair". I wish I could see the bright side of it like so many here.

By: The Other MikeD

The Other MikeD — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:53 +0000

I bet NOW is pulling thier hair out over this one since a man is not involved they have no soapbox to rail against the verdict.

I dont think it makes a difference if its a lesbian "social" parent or a father. The courts are more then happy to slap a man with child support even if he is not the biological parent if he "creates a parental bond" with the child and I think that if a few more of these same sex couples start feeling the pain of fathers that awareness and perceptions will change.

Who knows??!!

By: Gunner Retired

Gunner Retired — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:58:28 +0000

Penumbrook and AP said quite well... I see no reason to expound on the obvious. (Another one of those "this is a news flash why?" some of us have been seeing this for years; but now we have someone else here to tell us it's really okay to really believe what we really live with and really see every day)
Gunner ARetired

By: Luc C.

Luc C. — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:03:45 +0000

Just maybe, at least I am kind of hoping but not expecting that things might start to change for the men going through all these similar type of situations.

Since it is starting to happen to woman, all be it from lesbian relationships but still woman some of the changes might trickle down to men.

I hope that it does, but do not expect to change much if anything for men.

My 2 cents

By: whatmess

whatmess — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:17:37 +0000

For the comment about father vs. step-father, I fear the same...I have read over and over in another group women who have made all possible arrangements to ensure their current husbands keep custody of their children, in case they die...not because the father is bad, is not involved in the child's life, etc...but because they BELIEVE that because they had custody before, they are entitled to say who has custody when they die...nice...