An Eye-Witness Account of Yesterday's F4J Action at the Lincoln Memorial
August 18th, 2007 by Glenn Sacks, MA for Fathers & FamiliesFatherhood activist Bob Norton was present yesterday when two Fathers 4 Justice activists beached security and climbed onto the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC. He sent me the following eye-witness account of the incident:
"I was at the Lincoln Memorial today and witnessed and filmed two F4J UK folks climb into Abe Lincoln’s lap at the Lincoln Memorial. I was detained for about an hour by park police and a SWAT team arrived quickly thereafter. Although they were respectful to me, they patted me down three times and I told them I did not consent to any search.
"I was ¼ mile away after they cleared the room when a park ranger tapped me on the shoulder and asked me to come back. There were about 150 or more people in the Lincoln Memorial room when it started, many were taking pictures and video. One fellow yelled and tried to get everyone to stop taking pictures saying 'That’s what they want.'
"Four security guards tackled Bob Dickerson to the floor and sat on him. They forced his head into the stone floor. The security people over-reacted for sure. I think they tackled him just because he was trying to leave. The SWAT people that arrived earlier were more level-headed
"I got this all on video but they seized my video chip and returned my camera. In addition to the two F4j UK guys I surmised that two others were arrested, though I was separated from others most of the time while detained.
"I have learned that the names of the U.S. citizens arrested are Bob Dickerson and Donald Ten. Don is the F4J California coordinator.
"It is F4J’s mission to do peaceful protests but the timing and location probably are not the best for this type of thing in DC with the hair trigger our government shows in using the Patriot Act etc.
"There must have been at least 10 people videotaping this event so I would expect some video to be available soon.
"The two F4J protesters climbed up the monument with help from a couple of others who I believe passed up stuff to them. They then changed into their superhero suits on top of Lincoln’s lap and began to put up a sign.
"When the security people came in, they began to clear the room and took no action to get them down. Just told them to come down. I started to leave, as I was asked with everyone else to leave.
"My best guess is they were up there 30-40 minutes, and I saw some video that was shot with a zoom lens from outside where you could see them up there. I was detained outside where I could see nothing but the SWAT guy told me they were taken down in the elevator to the police bus. I am told they are at 'Central Cell Block' in lock down tonight.
"The video I saw from another source shows all this and should be available at the US F4J site by morning."
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August 18th, 2007 at 12:12 am
They should return Mr. Norton's video chip forthwith. While they may have a claim to view it for evidence of whatever, it is his property, not our government's.
Perhaps he can have a Washington D.C. civil rights attorney file a "habeas chipus"?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:31 am
It would be a very disturbing commentary on the state of rights of people to peaceably assemble and protest in this country if it turned out that our goverment is setting about seizing and suppressing from timely media dissemination, the lawfully made video records of this first amendment protected event.
If this is what has happened here, then it would appear that tactics used in the last 12 months by the successor organizations to the KGB in Russia are now being employed by the U.S. Government against U.S. citizens in our own capital.
If this video footage does not show up pretty soon, one must consider the possibility that this is exactly what has happened.
Any who play the game of supposedly "seizing (video) evidence of a crime" as a bad faith coverup for achieving the dual (i.e., primary) objective of suppressing and/or delaying press coverage would, in my view, be guaranteeing that their dumb-dumb cover-up/delaying game will blow up in their faces in the same media which they are trying to keep things from.
Let's hope those in D.C. are not that stupid.
August 18th, 2007 at 2:32 am
I am so happy we finally have people doing this in America. Our brothers in England are way ahead of us on this form of effective protest.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:33 am
dressing up like a comic book character and causing a disturbance isn't going to further your cause. you fools need to realize that no one gives a shit. people aren't going to have sympathy for you because men are not sympathetic figures. you're not women or girls, and crying victim isn't go'na get you anywhere.
it's not a coincidence that the rise of feminism coincided with the great technological leaps of the 20th century, or that the most advanced societies on earth are also the most feminist. women are fundamentally more important to the survival of the human species than men because they can make more humans. yes, men provide half the genetic information, but women's' bodies do all of the work. they get pregnant, they give birth, and they nurse the child through infancy you need to realize that men only exist to provide for, protect and support women so they can live and produce more humans. once you're no longer needed for that purpose, you cease to have a reason for existing.
what men have done is essentially made themselves obsolete through technology. the reason you guys are being kicked to the curb is because you, individually, aren't needed any more. soon, as society becomes even more advanced (and your muscles become even more useless), fewer and fewer men will be needed, until none are needed at all. life will get better and better for women, and (when reproductive technology advances enough) parents will opt to have girls overwhelmingly instead of boys. women will embrace lesbianism, and eventually start reproducing together.
sorry guys, but your time is up. stop fighting already, and just accept your fate.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:28 am
Good point, yet another way for humanity to destroy itself before nature does. Of course should we ever develop an artifical womb, women will become just as obsolete.
And only a complete moron could possibly think that men will become totally obsolete, after all where will all these utpian generations of women get sperm? Cloning wont work, gene splicing has too mny varibles, and given womens' tendancies to kill their own children when life gets too tough perhaps your future isnt as bright as it seems.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:43 am
So Stephane who will change the oil? Build the roads? Keep the electrickery flowing? If all the world's women were to disappear overnight the species would have a couple of decades to develop a reliable means of artificial reproduction. If all the men were to vanish in the same way you'd have a couple of weeks before a complete descent into barbarism.
Stephane now might be a good time to enrol in a grass hut building course.
Men build the castles women live in.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:54 am
Given Lincoln's experience of doestic abuse the choice of the Lincoln Memorial is very apt.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:55 am
Stephane,
Besides looking at the demographics of China and reading a little of Aristotle (prime mover---yes, that is the man in the conjugal act) perhaps you should read a little Euripides since you have so much time on your hands. How about reading the Medea; for therein you will discover far more concerning the nature and weakness of women then technology could ever hope to mend. Yours is yet another false utopia, a phantasm of the mind and a fiction of a projected history. Your fetishism concerning the human body and sexual reproduction shows your irrationality and immaturity. Your voice is only heard on college campi and in that puerile ardor that longs to escape the realm of what is possible. Alas, your notions are moribund, outmoded and mere illusions. You have subjected yourself to a false dichotomy by separating the unitive from the procreative aspect of human sexuality. You have also debased your own humanity in espousing the primacy of materiality in relation to the rational animal known as man (yes, it is a common noun--look it up). Finally, you would do well to study some philosophy and realize that your hubris and militancy of thought is as common in any age as trees are to a forest. You are not novel and what you say is not revelatory. Yours is a dying dialectic, so, the fate that you have wrought for yourself as well as the reality you have not grasped, is the fundamental nature of the human being. You need a little wisdom for that, something not necessarily taught in 9th grade biology or distilled through either a movie or a technical program.
August 18th, 2007 at 7:55 am
Stephane,
It's great to see you female supremacists starting to sweat.
Post some more. I'm loving it.
August 18th, 2007 at 8:59 am
Love it Stephane, keep posting that stuff and maybe soon even you will begin to believe it.
“realize that men *only* exist to…
… provide for,
… protect,
… and support women.
…. so they can live and produce more humans”.
Now, if I were you, I would read your own words again, and ask yourself - just who has the more limited, specialised role, at greatest risk of being usurped in the long run by technological advance?
As Thomas has stated above, your argument is neither novel nor radical, it now merely represents a background noise to which so many men (young and old alike) have become accustomed to.
August 18th, 2007 at 9:05 am
First I would like to point out that “Stephane” has obviously high jacked “Stephanie’s” name, the Stephanie that is on the side of equal rights all around for both genders. I hope this is obvious to all, I just feel the need to make sure. This “Stephane” is a spineless coward for using the name of another rather than picking her own.
This whole scenario, the treatment of the protesters and innocent bystanders that just happen to be there at the time, does remind me of what would happen in China or Russia. Before even reading any of the other posts that thought crossed my mind. It is a scary thing indeed that it would happen in the USA.
This line from Bob Norton, "It is F4J’s mission to do peaceful protests but the timing and location probably are not the best for this type of thing in DC with the hair trigger our government shows in using the Patriot Act etc.”, is true. But sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. I do hope this makes the national news, but I have yet to see it out there.
August 18th, 2007 at 9:16 am
Stephane - You cannot be serious. Perhaps you should read the article under this link which was previously offered by a poster to this blog:
http://education.independent.co.uk/higher/article2024763.ece
And I quote, "There are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women."
Men have toiled tirelessly across so many fields to advance the interests of humankind. Medicine's great strides in reducing maternal and infant mortality were achieved by men. It's great strides in preventing disease through vacinations, and curing diseases through antibiotics have had profound impacts on all. Men's continued conquests in the war on cancer also deserve mention.
Today, women in America enjoy a considerably greater life expectancy than they ever have before -- and 5+ years greater than men's.
What your posts indicates that you are suffering from an unenlightened form of self-centeredness. If you were smart-selfish rather than foolish-selfish, you would understand that men are responsible for most to the health, wealth and safety which you enjoy in your life. And if you unwisely constribute to the stampeding of women onto a misguided warpath against men, you might make more likely the loss of these future contributions to the needs of women in America by men.
But there could be other losses of more rapid onset too. And these might not take any form that you might have ever envisioned. They might come in the form of a much broader, deeper and long-lasting pattern of loss-of-position and options-in-life for American women. If you cannot figure out how this might happen, perhaps you should enlist the brains of a few men to help you speculate on exactly what forms such a tectonic shift might take. If you have any insight at all, you might find the possibilities to be very unsettling.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:07 am
"Accepting our fate" is to accept radical feminist TYRANNY and BIGOTRY. From where I sit , even setting aside 41 million or so 'fetuses' whose lives were terminated by abortion before or after the Scott Peterson's of the world (or a suicide commiting mother) could 'get to them', radical feminists make the KKK look like a bunch of rank amateur thugs, bigots, etc. With 80% of my own State's youth inmates and 70% of U.S. State prison inmates (U.S. DOJ) having 'benefited' from 'no-fault divorce', etc. advocated by radical feminists and socialists, we have perhaps at least 1.5 or more males alone locked up in America by radical feminist demanded 'intervention/destruction of the two-biological parent family' and its resulting child exploitation and maltreatment by means of maternal single parent homes (as well the relatively rare paternal single parent homes, foster care, etc.)
In my U.S. State as of 1998, the average male newborn infant's prospective life span went to a full ten years less than that of a female newborn infant's prospective life span. Based on what I could find for data on other U.S. State's and from the World Health Organization, I could find only about 7 Nations out of about 180 and 49 other U.S. States that had a greater difference in lifespan based on gender, i.e. being female. Only Nations like Bellorussia (sp?) and Latvia had greater differences in lifespan for males compared to females.
"Accept" it or give up, 'WE have only just begun to fight'! The most 'dangerous' enemies one can have are those backed into a corner with nothing to lose. And only a fool commits violence against feminists, judges, and the like as all they do as make potential matryrs out of ______. To put it simply, I have no intention of simply 'lobbying' for scraps of my and my sons wrongly confiscated equal civil rights at the same 'democratic table' that puts forth the nonsense about disproportinate 'violence against women', etc. You don't fight Marxist-feministism and its sick and violence-inducing propaganda by being mamby-pamby, and entirely polite.
I'm Spartacus!
August 18th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Note: The 1.5 million prisoners and inmates in police custody , jails, and prisons is based on data from Human Rights Watch which put the U.S. prison count at about 2.2 million the last I checked. Yes, that is the same Human Rights Watch that decries violence against women in the U.S., but they are hardly a truely apolitical organization are they. (No more the A.C.L.U. which could give a rat's buttocks about most child exploitation and maltreatment through so-called 'family courts; male sexual assault victimization, which Human Rights Watch says males makes up over 2/3's of U.S. sexual assault victims, primarily in prisons; etc.)
August 18th, 2007 at 11:00 am
First, JeanB... thanks for pointing that out. I must admit it made me grit my teeth a little to see a name so close to mine spewing such ugliness. For the rest, Stephane is one of those that y'all should just ignore. She (at least we assume she) is obviously ignorant and just posting to get all of you riled up. Good job, Stephane. Everyone's riled. Hope you feel big.
I think the entire Lincoln Memorial thing was awesome. I am also disturbed by the extent of the police intervention (I, too, thought about China and Russia), but good for those guys for doing something peaceful and yet outlandish enough to get media attention. And good for them on the goofiness factor, too. It absolutely keeps it non-threatening but still very attention-getting. It's almost comical to hear about them getting arrested and cuffed.... oooh, those big bad Father's Rights activists, dressed up in their superhero costumes... better cuff 'em quick!
August 18th, 2007 at 11:29 am
"And good for them on the goofiness factor, too. It absolutely keeps it non-threatening but still very attention-getting. It's almost comical to hear about them getting arrested and cuffed.... oooh, those big bad Father's Rights activists, dressed up in their superhero costumes... better cuff 'em quick!"
Although I think that most of what Stephane's said is off the wall, I agree about the comic book thing. Also, whether or not a group of men dressed like superheroes is an actual threat, sending out press releases that claim that F4J "breached US security" (whether or not it was true) is not only childish, but outright stupid, especially when the releases came out of another country and at least two of the people involved were not US citizens. I also find it very peculiar that the same people who say they are trying to address negative stereotypes of men, are applauding grown men dressed like Batman. Do you really think they're going to be taken seriously?
August 18th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Annie,
It bothers you that men who are members of an international, non-violent protest of the abrogation of the rights of children and fathers, would dare carry their message to America.
You also clearly do not understand the economics of marketing messaging this country. Most men in this movement have been impoverished by the same enemy they are trying to fight against -- the courts. They don't have the money for TV and radio ads.
And because, they have little or no "marketing budget" so they are putting their own bodies, lives and livelihoods at risk to get their message out.
But you Annie, don't seem to get it.
I think their methods are brilliant. And I think the hundreds of thousands of government employees (including politicians) and lawyers in America whose exploitation of American families is being put at risk by these brave gentlemen, are running scared.
That's why they are utilizing abusive police tactics.
And they are making a grave error by doing so -- because their suppression efforts will only result in exponential amplification of the message.
Stupid is as stupid does.
You, Annie
August 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
P.S. Annie, the words "You, Annie" were intended by me to be deleted prior to my hitting the submit key, as they are a sentence fragment unrelated to the context appearing immediately above those same words. The "Stupid is as stupid does" comment is a reference to the government's actions including as anticipated in my prior post which closed with the words: "Let's hope those in D.C. are not that stupid."
August 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
"It bothers you that men who are members of an international, non-violent protest of the abrogation of the rights of children and fathers, would dare carry their message to America."
Matt O'Connor has previously claimed that he was disbanding F4J in the UK because "extremists" had undermined its credibility, and it is only the same kinds of "extremists" who are getting involved with F4K in the US. It is only a matter of time when American sociopath "superheros" start killing anyone they perceive as "bad guys". In fact, it's already happening. Look at Darren Mack who is perceived by many in the fathers' movement to be a hero. An even better example is Papa John Muhammad (and his sidekick John Malvo), who apparently forgot their Batman and Robin costumes in Antigua...
August 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Annie,
Your leap from chronically peaceful wearers of comic book costumes to accusations of intent to murder is mindboggling.
In reading the article you cited about the disbanding of F4J, it appears that his announcing a disbanding in the context of the other facts reported in that article was the perfect strategy to diffuse the emergence of the element which YOU apparently fear. It appears that a less peaceful fringe was attempting to attach itself to the movement, and he announced exactly the right move -- disband the movement so that the fringe could not operate under their cover or identity. Brilliant again.
You see Annie, organizations which don't have a payroll and are purely volunteer cannot easily fire or otherwise disassociate from individuals they would like to get rid of. Stop and think. If you ran a volunteer organization, and you had no way to control people who said they "belonged" -- because in many senses, just about anybody could make that claim -- what would you do to clean out extremists?
His announcement was the right move at that time for the right reason -- actually YOUR reason if you stop and think about it.
What these men are doing in Washington by using peaceful means to raise awareness among the voters and elected representatives is SAVING LIVES of the future victims of future Darren Macks. And you must understand that America's family courts are churning out far too many potential Darren Macks every day. The system needs to be fixed. You will not keep disenfranchised individuals from turning to violence by suppressing their spokesmen, even if you don't agree with their methods -- in fact suppressing their spokesmen will only increase the incidence of violence. Have you studied no history Annie?
Why do you think that anyone intending to undertake violence would want to get involved in public protests where video cameras abound? That's completely stupid.
What you should fear is the completely rational, highly trained and deeply disenfranchised fathers who are coming back from the Middle East, and who are not showing their faces or blogging in protests. You may recall Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh's apparent extreme unhappiness with the actions of the U.S. Government against those at Waco Texas and Ruby Ridge.
The men who have shown themselves in Washington are committing themselves to a peaceful awareness building movement. That is a good thing. And it could help fix the problem before our country's family courts give birth to a whole army of monsters like Timothy McVeigh.
We should all thank these men for putting a peace spin on these issues, and enlisting as many American men as possible in the peaceful protest path -- because the history shows that when Americans become deeply disturbed by their government's conduct against private citizens, serious and even very large scale violence is to be expected.
Hopefully all such potential negative energy will be channeled into peaceful protest.
But you should realize that depriving people of the right to use their voice can only guarantee that they will turn to something far more dangerous in order to be heard.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
lol, i'm not a female supremicist, just a realist. 200 years ago, women needed men in their lives. they needed someone to provide for them, protect them from wild animals, chop firewood and do all of that other "manly" stuff for them. they don't need you for that any more. they have kitchen appliances. they have heating and central air conditioning. they have sperm banks. they have vibrators. needs that once could only be satisfied by a husband are taken care of now through technology. like i said, you guys aren't needed any more, and eventually, none of us will be needed at all. instead of fighting it (and losing), you should just accept it, and try your best to ease the transition.
August 18th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Annie and others,
In looking for the Fox News D.C. story on this, I noticed this story on Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293666,00.html
"ORLANDO, Fla. — Police were hoping for a good turnout at their "Kicks for Guns" sneaker exchange Friday, but they weren't expecting to get a surface-to-air missile launcher.
An Ocoee man showed up and exchanged the 4-foot-long launcher for size-3 Reebok sneakers for his daughter, the Orlando Sentinel reported.
Taking advantage of the exchange's no-questions-asked policy, the man was not identified. He told the Orlando Sentinel that he found the weapon in a shed he tore down last week.
"I didn't know what to do with it, so I brought it here," he told the newspaper. "I took it to three dumps to try to get rid of it and they told me to get lost."
Besides the missile launcher police collected more than 250 guns. They were all exchanged for sneakers or $50 gift certificates."
So, a man choosing shoes for his daughter over a missile launcher. Sounds like a good man to me. Lucky for all it wasn't found by a man who was angry at his government for terrible maltreatment. If the man who had found that missile launcher when tearing down a shed was another Darren Mack, I don't want to think about how he might have utilized it.
What we all need to realize is that in a free society, the only way to keep most people from ever committing acts of violence is to simply make every effort to treat them fairly. And in a country like the U.S. where we churn out enormous volumes of deadly weapons and train countless of our soldiers to use them -- and apparently lose or lose track of such deadly items as missile launchers -- it is downright foolish to disenfranchise people of their rights. And doing it to tens of millions of capable adult males, is beyond foolish -- it is insane.
But of course it is not the wise members of our government who have done this. It has been manipulated and encouraged by certain parties outside of government -- i.e., those with private interests to serve -- as well as a relative few within each state's government and some at the Federal level, who were each looking to capitalize on the threat of false problems in their own selfish reach for office, publicity or power. To these individuals what has happened seems not insane, but successful -- for them. Meanwhile it has put tens of millions of families in our country through a living hell, and thrust the futures of even more millions our children into a burning cauldron which assures a lifetime of pain and risk. All for the profit of a few.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
"An Ocoee man showed up and exchanged the 4-foot-long launcher for size-3 Reebok sneakers for his daughter, the Orlando Sentinel reported."
I sure he has or will get a visit from the police or the fbi to found out where he found it...
August 18th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
two comments:
marketing 101: ALWAYS notify the media as you are driving to your staging point. they should meet you at the Lincoln Memorial and film everything. The cops will not confiscate their film.
Stephanny: real big talk. I just wonder who is going to protect you and your lesbian friends against the fascist islamists who will certainly (finally) grind the last remnants of feminist thought under their boots?
August 18th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
"...eventually, none of us will be needed at all. instead of fighting it (and losing), you should just accept it, and try your best to ease the transition."
Is this what you're doing now Stephane? Reconciling yourself to your eventual worthlessness and easing yourself into oblivion?
If "ease" is the criterion to direct one's life by, wouldn't it be easier to take a less certain view of the future and simply enjoy the life you have, while you have it?
August 18th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Marketing 102: Don't invite the public media, so that the police feel free to let loose with the behaviors they readily engage in when not monitored by the media, and have your own network of supporters film these very telling behaviors by the authorities. The video captured in this case picks up the truth about the willingness of the enforcement arm of the American government to walk all over American citizens and the Bill of Rights. America has great PR about all of its freedoms, but on the ground, it has become a heavily armed and arrogant police state, which these gentlement have demonstrated for the whole world to see.
I give these guys an A+ in Marketing 102.
August 19th, 2007 at 9:19 am
Flashback eight months ago when mostly females protested in DC.
When liberal women and men protestors spray painted "anarchist symbols" and phrase such as "Our capitol building" and "you can’t stop us" on the United States Capital building in Washington D.C., no one was arrested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwbudsVNlBU
http://www.capveterans.com/national_veterans_memorials_protection/id40.html
August 19th, 2007 at 10:13 am
My solution Stephane's prediction is widespread voluntary sterilization. Since the source of all power is money, just cut them off at the knees by not impregnating them.
That aside, kudos to AP. I was trying to figure out a concise way to say what you when you talked about Marketing 102. Their costumes aside (which, in my opinion, were meant to draw attention to themselves to garner more publicity), these guys have the most potential to help the movement. Unfortunately, a complete media blackout will relegate this incident to the back of the bus where it will join the paternity fraud incidents. I also agree with you on the subject of the Bill of Rights. This comes as absolutely no surprise to me. Our government has been chipping away at the constitution almost as soon as it was passed. I'd say that we're as close now to becoming the Fourth Reich as ever. Some people may laugh at that, but if you look at history and the factors that precipitated the rise of almost all tyrannical governments you'll find that we're not that far off. Of course, one way to help reign in our government would be to elect Ron Paul, but that's another story for another time (I'd love for him to be interview by Glenn, but that's unlikely given his busy schedule).
August 19th, 2007 at 10:50 am
stephane, stephane, stephane..............just how much love do you get from your vibrator? Is it a good conversationalist? Will it keep you warm at night? Will it run to the store at 2am to pick up meds for you because you are as sick as sick can be?
What's that? Your girlfriend does that for you? Let me tell you, it is not the same. It just isn't. You can't get the same satisfaction from a vibrator (even one used by your girlfriend) that you can from a man. With my job I am away from home about once or twice a year, upwards of two months at a time. I still get urges while I am away, urges that I thought could be taken care of by a vibrator. It actually made me feel worse. It was so hollow and afterwards so very painful. It literally hurt my heart. It just doesn't work.
Get off your high horse and realize that men are people, too. Females are not the be-all, end-all. Neither are men, but you act like men are disposable. What are you (feminazi's) going to do when men stop donating to the sperm banks? Then what? What are you going to do when men refuse to do anything anymore? Think women can run the world alone? Nope. We, the human race, are supposed to be a team and work together. United we stand, divided we fall. ALL OF US. The majority of people on this site are for equal rights for both genders. The same thing that women fought so hard for all those years ago. Feminazis like you are now trying to turn the tables and suppress the men. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If the founders of feminism, true feminism, were to see what has become of what they had started they would so very angry. People like you are the first ones they would go after. You and people like you are not feminists. Go back and read the real history, not the warped version put out by the modern leadership of NOW.
August 19th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
It pains me deeply to see how little regard there is for the concerns of these men, and I wholeheartedly support their efforts. I wish I could have been there.
My man (for lack of a better word - do I call him my partner? My fiance (I doubt we'll ever get married; there's no need. We love one another and will be faithful for our remaining years and I believe this with all my heart. The wedding ring didn't keep the first two men from leaving me.....)
I call him my husband at my new job because I wok in a nursing home and I don't want to offend the sensitivities of the elderly there.
Anyway -
My man - he would not permit me to be there in person. I'm certain of that. As horrific and devastating his experiences, he would also think there is nothing to be gained. I have looked into a Wonder Woman costume and I would dearly love to be at these events. Perhaps he'd let me go if I just hung out to show my support. I'm not sure. Some days, he can talk a little about the false accusations and the horrible court experiences, and other days - he just talks about it in his sleep.
I know very little about what happened with the F4J organization, and I was invited via email to join a different group (the splinter group?) but I just got bad vibes about it. I'm sticking with Fathers4JusticeUSA. I also will renew my NCFM membership but the GNY chapter is no more. Their dues were really high though, and at least the national is less money - maybe I'm wrong, Perhaps I'm going senile....I probably am. That's about $80 right there. Still, it's doable.
I will have to sell a few more things on Ebay or somesuch, but it's worth it to me.
It's a small sacrifice. So I cut down on my diet Pepsi ration.
Look, I'm basically an overly emotional airhead ditz, but I do know one thing: It's time to stop talking and start doing. Almost ANY action short of violence and harm to others is better than nothing.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Stephane is one piss-poor troll.
August 20th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
I am very glad that Stephane posted the comments that she did. All of you reading this post were given a glimpse into the true heart of the modern day feminist movement. I have to agree with JeanB. This lady is a feminazi, and the comments posted by Stephane are the present day "final solution" in the feminist (actually femasupremacist) agenda. Has anyone ever heard of a woman named Valerie Solanas. Well, this woman might as well have written the modern-day feminists' mission statement. Although they will not admit it, Valerie Solanas and her bigoted writing, "Scum Manifesto" represent the true core values and goal in the feminist movement that we see today. These women are not your mothers' feminist. That is, they do not believe in the original definition of feminism (i.e. "Advocacy of the political and socioeconomic equality of men and women"). Actually, if feminism still believed in that original definition, then I am an original feminist. No, these women want femasupremacy. More than that, they want total elimination of men all together. There is really no difference between these women and such organizations like the KKK, neo-nazis, etc. This should be a wake-up call to men out there. There real agenda is not coexistence, but total supremacy and gender-cide.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
I thought it was funny and yet also expressed a very important need. The need is just as Mr. Lincoln made way to free the slaves. We more than ever need a president to free fathers and children from being slaves to the court system. We need a hero to set us free. We are the adult children who have lived with the wounds of not having our fathers. We are the fathers that are wounded from not seeing and having our children.m From the time we are children we are taught about the founding fathers of our nation. But yet taught to hate our fathers. What message are you sending our kids. If we need to respect our founding fathers. Then we need first to be allowed to see our birth fathers. Government us kids are getting older. We are learning the truth. We will not stand for it any longer. We will fight to the end. And in the end we will prevail.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:33 pm
The protest you saw over the weekend with fathers4 Justice marks the beginning of a new mens rights movement in the USA. American men are being treated like slaves and we want equal rights. American men are now held in such low regard that the mere act of writing a love letter is considered a crime by the national Organization of women.
I am talking about the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 a blatantly unconstitutional law that the NOW promoted that seeks to “protect foreign women” by making it illegal for an American man to say hello online to a woman in another country without first having to supply criminal history and personal information. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1804…
Brownback championed the law with the Tahirih Justice Center an Iranian American NGO cleverly playing the “protection of foreign bride” card while masking the true motive which is to prevent American men from communicating or dating “foreign women uninfected by American feminism”.This law is nothing more than legalized misandry carefully orchestrated by money hungry NGO executives who live lavish lifestyles paid for with taxpayers dollars. This law gives the power to the government and women’s groups deciding the conditions under which American men can romance or communicate.
But please don't take my word for it . Google the key words "IMBRA 2005" and discover for yourself how your rights to communicate with a foreigner have been sabotaged by radical women groups.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Al, thank you, and you are so very right. What NOW and the feminazi's are doing and believe in is not true feminism. Not even close.
My BF brought up a very good point while discussing this string. This question goes to the false stephane: when we go to war, who is going to fight? You? And do not say if women ruled the world there would no more wars. Anyone with any common sense would know better. Women bicker worse than men do, and amongst themselves. This is a factual observation that I have made all by myself. There is a reason I would rather work with 10 men than 5 women. When there is that much estrogen in one room for long periods of time there are bound to be problems. If you even try to deny it then you are only fooling yourself. I would much rather work with the level-headed, rational men. Granted, there are several women that I do work with who are of the same mind-set as me, and we all get along great, but most of the women are just so focused on themselves and what THEY want that they can’t see past the nose on their face. They are not capable of rational thought and take every little criticism personally. Drives me nuts.
So, God forbid you ever get your wish, better pick up that M-16 and get to work. Don't know what an M-16 is? Don't know how to use it? How about a 50 cal? No? One of those who believe firearms are 'evil'? Well then, I guess you are screwed.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:29 pm
JeanB., sadly, I agree with you and feel badly doing so, because I am a pretty good person with whom to work and a very fair boss but I'd still rather manage and report to men.
Very sad. Very scary.
August 21st, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Stephane could not last one hour here, but I still invite her nevertheless:
http://ww.trollvalhall.com
August 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Oops, typed so quickly, I forgot the "a":
http://www.trollvalhalla.com
Enjoy youself among the male trolls, dear!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:39 am
I was two months old when my mom walked out. My dad try to keep me. The courts at the time felt men were not capbible of caring for thier kids. I know this is true because my adoptive parents said it themselves. I got to see my birth father maybe 6 times a year. My dad to this day still has problems with what happened to him. My husband was denined the right to see his son. He has not seen him inover 25 years. He still cries off and on. He has nightmares about the horrible things his ex-wife told his son. Why would a government built on our founding fathers allow children and fathers to go through this hell. We are the ones who have to carry the scars at the government expence. I would like for some of these politions go without thier kids and be told they could not see or talk to them for a month. Wake up government and free us.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:50 am
At the rate of adoption in our country, wheither it be from step parent adoption, or other reason people opt to adopt out thier children. Another theory to concider is interbreeding.The more children being adopted out. The less likelyhood of knowing who is family and who is not. Because of the rise in drug affected children. The government is estimating that our fostercare system will increase by 400% within twenty years. You add that on top of children being taken away from thier fathers at an alarming rate. It spells trouble. The government more than ever has alot of deciding to do. In the end they are the ones that are going to eat the bill. I feel that if a woman chooses to leave a marriage. They should have to work just the same as the men to support thier children. They want equal rights then they need to take on the same responsibilities. The government should enact a matching policy. If a man pays child support the mother should have to prove she is earning the same amount he is ordered to pay. It would also cut the cost our government is paying them to sit and eat bon bons all day.It was just not the man that made the kids. Somewhere there was a woman also.
March 4th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
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