Glenn Criticizes Biden Selection on Al-Jazeera's World News
August 24th, 2008 by Glenn Sacks, MA for Fathers & Families
I appeared on Al-Jazeera's World News Saturday evening to discuss Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama's selection of Senator Joe Biden (D-Del) as his vice-presidential candidate.
As many of my readers know, Biden has long been the principle architect of misguided federal domestic violence policy, and spearheaded the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 and its two subsequent re-authorizations.
Biden calls VAWA "What I'm most proud of in my entire career.”
Biden probably means well, but he has consistently misunderstood the domestic violence issue and listened to the wrong people.
While Biden still considers domestic violence to be what he calls a "gender-based crime," research clearly shows that this is not the case. Women are as likely to initiate an engaging domestic violence as men are, and to a large degree they are able to balance the scales by employing weapons and the element of surprise.
Among other questions, Al Jazeera asked me what everybody is asking -- "How much does this help Barack Obama become president?" My reply was more or less as follows:
Yes, Biden helps Obama because Obama is (correctly) perceived as inexperienced, particularly on foreign-policy, which is one of Biden's strong suits.
On the other hand, what seems odd to me is that so many people are celebrating Biden's selection, but where were all these people when Biden ran for president in this same election? Biden did very poorly, garnering less than 1% of the vote at times, and he had to drop out -- if he is such a positive, why did he fare so poorly in the primaries?
Also, while everybody is focusing on how Biden helps Obama with foreign-policy, I think there is a gender element here. I think Biden helps the Democrats win the women's vote, because of Biden's long-standing commitment to women's issues.
He has helped toughen up child support enforcement, worked on the "wage gap," and been the architect of the Violence Against Women Act. The Democrats usually do well with women, but this will help them more.
Conversely, the Violence Against Women Act has harmed many innocent men. American men are being thrown out of their houses and cut off from their children without any real judicial oversight, simply because their wives want them out and tell the court that their husbands threatened them or abused them. Biden's legislation has separated many fathers from their children.
It's unlikely, but McCain could decide to use this as a vehicle to try to gain men's votes.
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August 24th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Nice analysis Glenn!
I think Obama went with Biden because he is the perfect mangina, the actual Father of VAWA. Kim Gandy over at NOW is having orgasms over this ticket. And the alienated Hillary crowd will come on board. Joe Biden is like a drag queen only with hair transplants.
For feminists, this is even better than Hillary as Prez. The perfect feminist storm of legislation is going to happen if Obama-Biden get elected.
Your own web site will be declared as "hate speech." Banned. Illegal.
This is some serious stuff coming up, brother.
August 24th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Biden is a nightmare for men's rights advocates. He deliberately censored all objuective scholars and researchers when VAWA was up for renewal a couple years ago.
I have known Marxist revolutionaries with more tolerance and open-mindedness than Joe Biden.
This guy makes Castro look liberal.
I do not like him. Nor do I wish to have him represent me in any way.
August 24th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I am no longer voting for Borrack Obama.
August 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Al Jazeer is circumventing The American media Lace Curtain.
http://www.menweb.org/lacecur1.htm
August 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I agree with Glenn on everything Glenn says except for the issue of Biden attracting more votes in total. He forgets the women who love and support their men probably won't vote for Biden either.
His stand on women's issues is deplorably misandrist. He has also violated the 14th amendment of our Constitution by pushing the VAWA act to become law. That act provided $300 million to protect women against violent crime and nothing for men despite the fact the 92 out of every 100 violent deaths in this country are suffered by men. Read Warren Farrell's book "The Myth of Male Power". It will give you the source of the statistics I have quoted.
As a registered Democrat my view of Biden is he is a political opportunist who will do anything to get a vote. Frankly, i can't stand him. He has no ethics in my book. Obama lost my vote on this choice and I will be voting independent in this coming election. D
August 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Alan Alda and Phil Donahue for Prez
Biden's strategy is great for the senate/congress (that's a sugar daddy role if there ever was one) but is this really helping make the ticket more manly?
Hillary voters are going to rush into McCain's arms now. I wish we could do the primaries over...
August 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
besides biden...obamas wife said she would be an advocate for women in the white house...with those 3....mens issues won't even get discussed........and then there are the clintons.......................this is why i vote republican !
August 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Obama has hurt himself badly in this.
Everyone keeps repeating that Biden is "strong" on foreign policy, but I have not seen him utter a single scrap of sense on foreign policy. Bet he still thinks overthrowing Musharraf was a good idea.
His best bet was Hillary. Yes, I deplore both of them for their socialist-communist inclinations, but they both would have garnered enough support to bury McCAN. By choosing Biden who got a whopping close to nothing support from the Dems, Obama has spit on the egos of Hillary's supporters (with many racists/sexists in this group). Handing over the advantage to McCAN. Now, McCAN has a fighting chance. Not that I am happy about that either. Both are going to hurt the status of USA economic, political and personal, but seems like McCAN will be gentler - compared to Obama.
August 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I am not happy with Biden either. I do give him massive props for always taking the train to/from Washington to Delaware so he could father his kids.
I do note that a father with precisely the same behavior, who was married, would probably not get 50/50 custody of his kids in a divorce, because feminists and supporters would complain how the Senator abandoned his kids to be brought up by mom.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Biden was crushed in the primaries because he was not a woman or minority. Now that the Democrats have their minority, presidential candidate they need to shore up his weaknesses and try to win over the Democrats who voted against him in alarming numbers at the end of the campaign.
Whether Biden is worse than any other, Democrat on our issue is almost irrelevant because feminists control a huge section of that party anyway. It really does not matter whom the Dems put up when you look at that way because they are bad for fathers and the family.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
"Joe Biden is like a drag queen only with hair transplants."
No, he's not at all. Why do you equate femininity in men with misandry. Michael Moore hates men, and he sure as hell aint very feminine.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
The father of the VAWA. Enough said.
August 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
I'd recommend you guys check out the Brit Guardian website where feminist Melissa Mcewan has posted an article which thinks Biden is a bit so-so on feminism ... you guys might like to check it out . I haven't any more idea how to insert a link than build a rocket , but try googling Guardian Comment
August 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Obama/Biden '08...
YYYYYAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
August 24th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
McEwan's post is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/23/joebiden.barackobama
In that column and the ones linked to it, she indicates the all or nothing nature of what she considers a friend. You're either with us or against us, and VAWA aside, he's no friend of women.
I am hopeful we are smarter than that.
(Still not happy with Biden, but thanks Ian.)
August 24th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I'm glad that you posted this perspective on Obama's choice, because the regular media sure wouldn't. This makes me question my previously unquestionable choice to vote for him.
I didn't know much else about Biden but now the only things I know are bad, in a personal way. VAWA helped an adult who broke my bones when I was 12 get a job inside the system. I'll have to search for mitigating reasons to vote for a ticket that has Biden on it. I would have preferred Clinton.
August 24th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Biden s a feminist in a man's body. He should have his sex change operation before the election and not after.
August 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Cheer Jerry , I am in awe of your linking ability .
I'll alert you guys to more of the Guardian comments , if Glenn approves . Us Brit Guardian blokes have especial fun whenever feminists Julie Bindel or Cath Elliott post.
August 24th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
"old, straight white guy"
Lol.. McEwan is definitely not a ageist, racist, or heterophobe. Did she not know that the Messiah himself is heterosexual and a guy? Well, Biden is a horrible guy, but atleast he did not support the killing of a baby that was partially born? What a horrible thing to do, and what women stand beside these inhuman kinds of McEwan?
August 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
oops... extra question mark in my post.. find out and win a camel.
August 24th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I'm not really a fan of any of the candidates to be honest.
Can I secede from the union... or do I just have to wait another 20 years for it to all fall apart on it's own?
Of course I am being sarcastic, but you get my point... all of the options for president/vice president are aweful in my opinion.
August 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I will not be voting for Obama. This choice knocked me off the fence.
August 24th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Feminist Liars Make Bad Leaders
August 24th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Roy: Joe Biden is like a drag queen only with hair transplants.
Callum: No, he's not at all. Why do you equate femininity in men with misandry?
Exactly Callum. When men go out of their way to protect women, even when they don't need it, they are not acting like women, they are acting like men.
August 24th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Biden "has helped toughen up child support enforcement, worked on the "wage gap," and been the architect of the Violence Against Women Act."
There is a conflict between the child support enforcement and the "wage gap". If men are not allowed to earn more than women, how can they get the extra money they need to pay child support and other responsibilities?
If you want to eliminate the "wage gap" it is simple. Abolish all transfers that favour women, and then women will be forced to go out and work more to earn the extra money.
August 24th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Even just from a purely image-building perspective for Obama, choosing Biden is just dumb.
So you have a presidential candidate running on change and judgement with only two years of political experience, and he picks the most insider old Washington pol as his running mate?
Are Obama's advisers smoking something he brought back from his Hawaii vacation?
August 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
vote republican.................i don't understand how men can vote democratic...when they do so much pandering to women...i read that bush closed the office for women in the white house....i'm sure it would be reopened if obama gets in
August 24th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
I actually see this as good news for men. Its like asking America to vote for Raul and Fidel, and it aint gonna happen. He is giving a centre-right country a choice between a man who is for the most part centre-right and two men who are way out on the left, and I don’t think Americans will salute that particular flag.
"Biden calls VAWA "What I'm most proud of in my entire career.”"
This statement is probably due to brain damage caused by his kid sister.. .
From an article at IFeminists…
"In my house, being raised with a sister and three brothers, there was an absolute - it was a nuclear sanction, if under any circumstances, for any reason, no matter how justified, even self-defense - if you ever touched your sister, not figuratively, literally. My sister, who is my best friend, my campaign manager, my confidante, grew up with absolute impunity in our household."
“And this was the good senator's bell-ringer: "And I have the bruises to prove it. I mean that sincerely. I am not exaggerating when I say that."
What a great bloke he is.
The full article was written by Carey Roberts and is here…
http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2006/0503roberts.html
Vote McCain or spend the next 4-8 years being kicked in the teeth by Joey VAWA’s kid sister, whom he will probably appoint as Attorney General.
August 24th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Pankaj wrote…
“oops... extra question mark in my post.. find out and win a camel.”
Is it the one at the end of this sentence…
“Well, Biden is a horrible guy, but at least he did not support the killing of a baby that was partially born? “
Where do I go to collect my camel?
August 24th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Let's face it, with petrol prices the way they are a camel could come in handy. And it would probably spit on you a lot less than if you tried to ride Joe Biden to work.
August 24th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Michael,
Interesting article above. It really says something that someone running for office can cite the fact that they were physically abused by a female as some sort of credentials for office.
Glenn says "Also, while everybody is focusing on how Biden helps Obama with foreign-policy, I think there is a gender element here. I think Biden helps the Democrats win the women's vote, because of Biden's long-standing commitment to women's issues.
He has helped toughen up child support enforcement, worked on the "wage gap," and been the architect of the Violence Against Women Act. The Democrats usually do well with women, but this will help them more."
It's funny how a lot of people claim that most women don't support the current feminist policies. Yet if that is true, how is it that politicians who show the most slavish loyalty to current feminist falsehoods manage to win over more female voters without losing many?
August 25th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Men in the age group of 60+ have an interesting attitude towards women. Their entire youth was spent in 60's when woman were largely confined to home. No wonder these men define women as weak and to be protected. Infact they consider this aspect to be the defining feature of their manliness. Even my father gives long boring lectures on supposed " necessity" of positive discrimination favouring women.
True to their age, these men would have lost touch with the reality and sit on an imaginary intellectual pedestal shouting off rants on alleged "injustice" towards women.
August 25th, 2008 at 6:48 am
Hmm. I have to wonder if this is not a smart defensive move on Obama's part.
If I recall correctly, there were mutterings in the media a while back that if Obama did get the top slot, then disgruntled KKK types might be tempted to take a crack at him. Now, one assumes that the person doing such a deed, and many of their supporters/co-conspirators (i.e. the person's influencers), would most likely be white males. So if you were in Obama's shoes, what would you do? I know what I'd do. It's not a straight pick, of course, you'd have to run the numbers, but I'd certainly consider as my VP the person least attractive to that constituency so that if they took me out, the alternative for them would be even worse.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Biden sites that Obama "doesn't have the experience to be President" in Biden's campaign for the nomination and has praised John Mccain. It will be interesting to see how he weasles out of these statements.
Biden is a true politician, willing to say anything to advance his own selfish cause.
August 25th, 2008 at 8:29 am
ladies and gents this is not a set back this is an OPPORTUNITY. I was PRAYING Biden would be the pick - why because it opens the door for US!!! We blew it in the primaries by doing nothing. Now we have a chance to make a difference in the election.
We ALL need to pick up the gauntlet and run with it. Contact you newspapers, contact your radio/tv stations contact ANY media and speak up about who Joe Biden really is. If they campaign in your area show up with a sign and out flyers whatever..... Ask them WHY Joe Biden is runing for VP when his proudest accomplishment was so gender biased the Supreme Court threw out serveral provisions etc etc
NONE of this costs a dime folks just a little of your time. As an example my local papers had many articles about Biden yesterday and this morning. In the 3 papers (i'll estimate about 20 artticles) there were ZERO negative comments about Biden and each paper had a least 1 mention of VAWA (one had multiple) - this give me the PERFECT reason to write an op-ed or letter to the editor.
So instead of bItc**Ing about this selection see it for what it really is a gift..... the choice is yours you can do nothing and watch your rights disappear or you can stand up for yourself, grow a set of testicles, quite whining and GET TO WORK!!!!!!
Sadly i'd bet the house - less than 10% of the people on this blog will do a damn thing except post here and whine and those will be the naysayers who say we can't get anything done.....
August 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am
It was a nice interview Glenn, thanks for trying.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:36 am
DCR,
The problem with MRAs publicly campaigning in this way is that it could actually backfire. That is, people who don't like us will actually be more likely to vote Obama-Biden. I can just see it now. Joe Biden could say 'Look folks. These nasty MRAs are targetting me all for my proud history of protecting women'. Then the votes of many women and chivalrous men carry the day.
Let's not get carried away here, and exaggerate our electoral strength.
Does that mean we should do nothing? Not at all. But I think these sorts of campaigns need to be more targetted to specific audiences that are more in tune with our thinking. The problem with conducting a campaign that attracts mainstream attention is that it could backfire if most people don't support us.
Look at it this way. If a pro-life candidate was running in a heavily pro-choice district, it would be stupid for pro-lifers to walk the district carrying placards supporting their candidate. All it would achieve is to give the candidate the kiss of death among the pro-choice majority.
Another law of politics is that it is hard to mobilise your base without also mobilising the other side's base as well. So this sort of campaign would also energise the feminist groups to get-out-the-vote.
Until the MRM has convinced enough people of our cause, we won't have the electoral strength to swing elections in our favour. You have to pick your battles.
At this stage, we need to operate slightly below the radar of the mainstream media. Choose your tactics well grasshopper, and it will pay off in the end.
August 25th, 2008 at 9:46 am
DCR is spot on about this being an opportunity for men.
We missed a chance to get national attention at the Rick Warren faith forum but we now have three months of campaign appearances coming up, let's not squander them.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Nick you are the very naysayer i was talking about - yup don't take any action cause it won't do any good, don't want to piss off the establishement do we????
and now you know folks why I don't bother much with men's rights anymore - the nick's of the world will always win out. They simply cannot and WILL NOT join the move forward they want to wallow in the mud and continue what we have been doing for the past 30 years.
on a personal aside nick what is your expertise in this area? - how many op ed articles have you written ( me i've had about a half dozen PUBLISHED) - how many letter's to the editor have you written (me dozens could be well over a hundred if I bothered to count) - how many hours did you spend at your state's legislature lobbying ( me THOUSANDS) . How many bills have you gotten introduced and even taken part in writing???
My point is not to put you down.... my point is what you wrote in your post is exaclty what happens and derails all the work i (and many others who did even more than i ) did ok fine you clearly think you know how to run the men's movement - so lead us - tell us EXACTLY what you would have us do and let me remind you there is no money to be found to fund things......
at least I'm not surprised at this - it took all of a half hour for someone to tell me their way was better......
August 25th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
DCR, that is an interesting way of seeing his post. If I can just suggest calming down, and reading his post again. It isn't him saying to do nothing, it isn't him being a keyboard cowboy, it isn't him saying he will lead the MRAs.
He is simply using logic, and I agree with his point. If you watch the news, you would see that what he said is truth, sad but true. Going to war suddenly and without proper preparation and without proper planning would ruin the movement for a good while.
To see more about what he is saying, watch the news and see how it works. Right now, going against Biden en masse would have the other group, who is funded and organized, pandering for media attention, and they would get it. Every MRA would be painted as an abusive dog of a male, and Biden and Obama would be heroes for angering the scum. It wouldn't work out well. Again, just calm down and re-read what was said. We aren't an angry mob ready to pick up our pitchforks and torches. ^_^
August 25th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
"Look," (Obama starts a lot of his sentences with that word.... pay attention) --
Look, women fully understand that if men wanted to defeat feminism, it would take two weeks maximum. It is an indefensible ideology and cannot stand interrogation.
I had some hope that this guy Obama was going to be different. I am not racist and most of the men who taught me anything worth knowing were black.
Well, some white guys with bad jump shots on the court like me.
Every day, Obama is looking like just another pol.
That's fine. Just do not try to fool me.
I really find the arrogance of what passes for leadership in America today very insulting.
Who gave them that license?
Ooops. Look in the mirror I guess.
August 25th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
LorMarie--- "YYYYYAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!"
Is that what you scream when you try to have an orgasm?
And try to convince your partner that you are actually having one?
August 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Arti says;
"Right now, going against Biden en masse would have the other group, who is funded and organized, pandering for media attention, and they would get it. Every MRA would be painted as an abusive dog of a male,"
I strongly disagree.
I think that with the right spokesperson(s) a mass demonstration against Biden/VAWA by men would be hard for the media to ignore.
With media attention would come an opportunity to inform the press and the American people about the farce that is family court in the US.
I agree that "going to war suddenly and without proper preparation and without proper planning would ruin the movement for a good while."
Sooo, lets start planning and organizing, the other side is ALWAYS going to oppose us, should we wait until they approve our pursuit of civil rights?
Ever see a video of the march on the Pettis Bridge back in the sixties? The opposition was
well funded and organized but ultimately defeated because the marchers were right and had the courage to fight against a corrupt and unjust system.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Vote for McCain and instead of legislation that punishes more male than female abusers, we can have 1000 years of war! Keep killing men! Who do you really think believes men are disposable? The one who wants men to take more responsibility for their actions (perhaps somewhat unfairly) or the one who wants to kill men?
I bet Obama knows how many houses HE owns.
FYI, click here to get your FREE Obama/Biden sticker from MoveOn:
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August 26th, 2008 at 2:02 am
One of the things i like about McCain is that he wants to stay in Iraq. The right- abetted by the left- was wrong in starting Iraq II but the left is wrong in wanting to pull out after we (alas, Aus is partly responsible) went in and turned the place into a killing field. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed due the chaos that the West’s paranoia and irrationality threw their country into , and now we’re just going to leave them to slaughter one another? How immoral is that?
And please no left wing bull about a million dead, and no right-wing bull about Saddam being worse- bad yes, as bad, no.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:01 am
DCR,
If you actually bother to read my post properly, it would be clear to you that I was not advocating that we do nothing. I was simply advocating a different strategy of exercising political influence.
According to you, the choice is between doing precisely what you want or doing nothing. Yeah right.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:05 am
Jeana,
You are happy to exploit the fact that it is overwhelmingly men who die in war in order to campaign against the more pro-war candidate.
Yet you don't want to do anything to address the issues of why men should disproportionetely be the ones to fight in wars (such as equal pay for unequal risk for women who serve in the military).
August 26th, 2008 at 3:09 am
At this stage, we need to operate slightly below the radar of the mainstream media. Choose your tactics well grasshopper, and it will pay off in the end.
That's stupid. We need to reach other MEN, not hide from the people who don't like us. We need to get our message out to the guys who think they have no political recourse. We're already despised; it doesn't matter if we're despised even more, or if we end up "fueling feminism." If feminists are fired up by us that will only make it easier to reach even more men.
August 26th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Jeana says "I bet Obama knows how many houses HE owns."
Ah yes, the good old politics of envy. Please, change the record.
The thing is Jeana, that you obviously have a comfortable lifestyle. Yet the green-eyed monster rears its ugly head at the thought that someone else might be better off than you.
And given everything that McCain has done to serve his country, how dare he accumulate a comfortable investment portfolio to live off.
He has earned what he has, moreso than ungrateful women like you.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:17 am
The second I heard Biden was the VP candidate... I gave McCain a donation and sent his campaign an email telling them that I sent him money because Biden is a sexist pig and feminist panderer. I also said that I hope McCain does not become a man basher.
August 26th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Nick S Says: DCR, If you actually bother to read my post properly, it would be clear to you that I was not advocating that we do nothing. I was simply advocating a different strategy of exercising political influence.
According to you, the choice is between doing precisely what you want or doing nothing. Yeah right.
No nick - what i am saying is we have 8 weeks ( THATS 8 WEEKS )give or take to make a difference
so tell me what are YOU going to do and when are YOU going to do it?
till then - please stop wasting my time I have work to do (which includes to LTTE already written and sent)
August 26th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Michael Claymore,
Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead. Not tens of thousands. Get real.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Nick S,
McCain MARRIED money. He did not earn it.
August 26th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Are you all so anti-VAWA that you’d be willing to bring on World War III? Do you want your sons fighting needless wars in foreign countries to pad the pockets of the wealthy? You claim to care about your sons, but I don’t think so. And you must hate your daughters to even consider someone who’d force them into having a rape-baby.
Did you ever think of trying to be rational and appealing to the progressive side of the democrats? Like showing (with statistics from a non-MRA source) why you think VAWA should be amended and how? Talk about the forgotten or unacknowledged victims of domestic violence and show how they are lacking in services and legislation?
Screaming about how the feminists have legislators by their male parts isn’t exactly going to endear you to them. Quite the opposite. Democrats like to help people. Especially progressives. But not at the expense of a “protected” group. There’s room for males in domestic violence protections. You just have to show it.
August 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
jeana,
I feel the very last thing you would like to experience is warlike men starting WWIII.
Because it would be your very worst nightmare. And you would not live long. (But it is funny that you believe men cannot bring about the entire collapse of civilization. We can destroy what we built while you are shopping. That is such a dissmissive attitude. And unhistorical to boot! Ever heard about Rome?)
So then, how are you seeking to reform feminism and all the sexist laws that define men as disposable? A disposable man cannot support a family, right?
"You just have to show it." That is so arrogant.
I am anti-VAWA because it is unconstitutional (violates the 14th Amendment of Equal Protection --- have you read it?) --- and it is hateful, sexist, and illogical.
It has solved NOTHING in the Gender Wars. In fact, VAWA depends upon NOT solving the conflicts between men and women because that would mean the end of the racket.
Girl, please.
Locate your integrity and post again.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
roy,
“Because it would be your very worst nightmare.”
WWIII would be all of our worst nightmares.
“But it is funny that you believe men cannot bring about the entire collapse of civilization. We can destroy what we built while you are shopping.”
When did I say that men cannot bring about the collapse of civilization? You sure can. With one press of a button. I argued months ago that feminists or women would not be ultimately responsible for the end of western civilization. Not men. Men are good at destruction.
“So then, how are you seeking to reform feminism and all the sexist laws that define men as disposable? A disposable man cannot support a family, right?”
I don’t believe men are disposable. That is a myth. To me. Why would I want to do away with men? Reforming feminism is your job.
“’You just have to show it.’ That is so arrogant.”
It was not meant to be arrogant. Just my opinion that if people become aware, things can change. Things won’t change with irrational screaming and blaming the feminists for everything you don’t like. Blame them here, but don’t blame them & especially don’t blame “women” outside here. I don’t think it’s a good strategy. It certainly would not work with me and would, in fact, push me the other way. But do whatever you want.
August 26th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I have come to a really terrible realization about the men's movement.
Only women can save it.
They have the political power, the $1 billion a year VAWA money, hundreds of commissions and offices and agencies ....
The power imbalance is frightening. And men created it and gave it to women.
It would take MRA's 50 years to get anything like similar political clout. Women know this. They have absolutely no concern about a so-called "men's rights" movement.
Why? Because they control the real currency of gender power and it starts with a p----y.
The only real hope for a men's movement is to deny women what they want most in life --- babies.
There is no other strategy that will be quickly effective.
If men said to women, until you help me reform this tyranny against men, NO BABIES -- how many days do you think it would take to repeal VAWA?
I know it is a crazy idea. But so was the whole myth of the Evil Patriarchy.
No more babies girls.
Now how do you like your liberation?
August 26th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
(jeana) -- "I argued months ago that feminists or women would not be ultimately responsible for the end of western civilization."
I think I missed that post.
Have you revised your opinion at all?
I mean, I have no problem understanding that you believe women are not responsible.
But making a real argument requires responsibility.
August 26th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Jenna: Screaming about how the feminists have legislators by their male parts isn’t exactly going to endear you to them. Quite the opposite. Democrats like to help people. Especially progressives. But not at the expense of a “protected” group. There’s room for males in domestic violence protections. You just have to show it.
Funny, Jenna, everytime males try and prove there's room for them in domestic violence protections, they're laughed at, marginalized, told to "Man up", or given the cold shoulder "It's a minor thing, not worth looking at compared to what women go through."
You have done it also by saying that men shouldn't be helped at the expense of the "Protected" group. This is not what men are intending when they speak up. They want EQUAL protection.
Jenna: Screaming about how the feminists have legislators by their male parts isn’t exactly going to endear you to them.
Yet you and others of your ilk have screamed about how men have all the power and male legislators oppress females with male-biased laws. And it's certainly gotten them kissing the ground you walk on.
August 26th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
I guess the resident troll missed the bit about no left wing bull. And let's face it, even if the inflated figures were true it would make the West's moral obligation to clean up our mess greater.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Roy,
“No more babies girls.Now how do you like your liberation?”
I’m shaking in terror, Roy. Oh wait; it’s only you telling 3 billion women that you’re not going to impregnate them.
Somehow, instead of fear, I think there will be celebration.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Eagle30,
Even if what you say is true, and I have no way of knowing that for sure, is that a reason to give up? No one kisses the ground we walk on. And laws were biased against us. It was plainly obvious. It is less obvious that men need anywhere near the kind of protection women should receive. If you think they do, then you need to make your case.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:53 am
Michael Claymore,
Let the filthy rich oil companies and the war industry pay to clean up. Everyone who made money slaughtering and stealing—let them clean up. They benefited after all. But no, the taxpayers will foot the bill. As always.
And then there needs to be war crimes trials.
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Glenn,
LOL. I really wanted to say something profound, but so many beat me to it as noted in above comments.
I have done the research, have the research and talked to true 'specialists' about the DV Industry and know, as you do, that our current main thinking is so 'corrupt'. I have also studied history about Nazi Germany before WWII and wondered how so many people could believe so many lies. It is not hard to understand how such cruelty could have been done back then, when we all know what is being done now via DV and divorce Industries. Money and Power.