Wife Stabbed 222 Times by Spouse, but Media Doesn't Call It 'Domestic Violence' Because...
October 30th, 2008 by Glenn Sacks, MA for Fathers & Families
...her spouse was another woman.
There are nearly 2,000 online references to the recent stabbing murder of Jessica Kalish by Carol Anne Burger (pictured), but not one media outlet to date has used either the phrase "domestic violence" or "domestic homicide" in connection with the killing.
Kalish was stabbed 222 times by Burger, but I guess it's only "domestic violence" if a man does it. Yet according to Dr. Donald Dutton, author of Rethinking Domestic Violence, "Research shows that domestic violence is actually more common in lesbian relationships than in heterosexual relationships."
Kalish and Burger had married in Massachusetts in 2005, but apparently Kalish had met another woman.
There are many stories on this killing--one of the better ones is the Palm Beach Post's Police: Ex-lover killed woman in rage (10/29/08).
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October 30th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Am I the only one who wonders if, when feminist organizations trot-out statistics about how many "women are killed" each year and reference "husband or intimate partner" they further skew the statistics because the "intimate partner" may be another woman?
Food for thought.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:47 am
I'd love to know if when the suspect was questioned she told the police that a fat middle aged bald white male did it- that seems to be the feminist proto-type for ALL that is wrong with the world.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:42 am
All the markings of "domestic violence" except it's a woman. Good call Glenn.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Definitions are the method of choice for NOW and VAWA feminists. Define domestic violence as anything that isn't to a women's liking with the Duluth Wheel, and then define this killing as not domestic violence. NOW and VAWA feminists have no intelligent factual arguments, only self loving emotion.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:04 am
I thought the headline seemed overworked as well when I read the news story on Drudge. It's obvious that the reporters are tap dancing around the fact that this was a lesbian DV case and murder.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Get this, Burger wrote for the Huffington Post. Read how they eulogize this murderer. could you imagine if a male reporter killed his wife. would they write something like this?
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"A Tribute to Carol Anne Burger
The Huffington Post's OffTheBus is deeply saddened to report that one of our writers, Carol Anne Burger, died on Friday, October 24.
The circumstances of her death remain unclear; police believe she may have taken her own life after learning that her roommate - and former partner - had been found dead.
Carol Anne, an award-winning photojournalist and former editor, was an OffTheBus Election Correspondent. She used her background in journalism to bring us ground reports from her home state of Florida - and was very excited to be writing about the presidential election and filed multiple stories a week. She covered a wide range of stories including early voting in Florida, a summit on green jobs with Barack Obama and swing-state governors and a Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation event. Her high energy and curiosity kept OffTheBus editors on our toes. Vermonter Christian Avard - who worked with Carol Anne on her final dispatch - wrote that she was "always fun to work with, cheerful, and always very supportive. We are all very lucky to have Carol Anne be a part of the Off the Bus family. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of Carol Anne Burger and Jessica Kalish."
This coming week, Carol Anne had planned on using her background in financial reporting to cover how the economic crisis is affecting food bank donations and the poor in Florida."
October 30th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Now, don't forget about homosexual guys Domestic Violence as well. Don't assume that it's simply because they are lesbians, perhaps it's a battle of identical gendered egos? Any information for comparing gay men's relationship violence as well, you have to remember to be all encompassing and not assume anything.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am
There is a place for comments in Sun-Sentinel, one of the newspapers covering the store. It is not necessary to create an account.
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T7P6OSO0U2Q0J6HIQ
October 30th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Quote: Writer "may have taken her own life after learning that her roommate - and former partner - had been found dead."
Found dead? Eh? She was murdered by said writer!
"Post is deeply saddened"
"award-winning photojournalist"
"excited to be writing"
"Her high energy and curiosity"
"always fun to work with, cheerful, and always very supportive."
"very lucky to have" her
"Thoughts and prayers go out"
You're absolutely right. There is no way a tribute would have been written, let alone like this one, were it a male murderer!
Emotions trump justice.
regards,
MAJ
October 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am
The high levels of lesbian-on-lesbian intimate partner violence throw a big monkey wrench into the feminist explanation for domestic violence - i.e. that it is a manifestation of the Evil Patriarchy and a primary tool by which men control women.
You have to jump through a lot of hoops to explain lesbian violence and still keep the patriarchy conspiracy theory alive. But I have seen it attempted.
One common feminist response to lesbian violence is that women learn to be violent because they grow up in the patriarchy. So, their aggression is "socially constructed" in a culture dominated by violent men.
We've all heard the feminist lament that if women ruled the world, there would be no wars.
I guess feminists don't read much history, because you can study dozens of wars presided over by women.
To not label this lesbian-on-lesbian crime domestic violence is curious, if only because a good journalist would recognize a juicy follow-up analysis ready to be written.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am
It is sad that a person was murdered.
DV reporting should be taken seriously, and the processes and policies should be honest and unbiased. Feminist politics should not be the driving force for dealing with social / criminal / legal issues.
Break the silence - men are not the Universal Perpetrator(TM)
October 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I wonder how the gender-biased feminists out there are going to play this one off?
A man had NOTHING to do with this so you cant use that old tactic. Im waiting for the shock and and outrage...oh wait again theres no man involved.
Wow those folks are in a quandry arent ya?
Its not funny by any means but do the rest of you see a pattern here? Whenever we see stories of gay/gay or lesbian/lesbian violence it it almost always in a brutal fashion. I mean stabbing someone 222 times with a phillips head screwdriver is just lunacy.
TOMD
October 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I would guess that there WAS a man involved. The murder had a father and it's his fault.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I Googled this story and read about a dozen other articles about it. The media can't even agree on the nature of the relationship between these two women. Some articles say they were married, some say they were domestic partners, some say they were just friends.
To The Other Mike D: the gender-biased feminists aren't going to play this off; they are simply going to ignore it as an anomaly. Even Nancy Grace probably won't cover this story since there isn't a male to crucify in it.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
The HuffPost's eulogy states -- "The circumstances of her (Carol Anne Burger's) death remain unclear; police believe she may have taken her own life after learning that her roommate - and former partner - had been found dead."
So, the implication is that it was perhaps not a murder committed by Burger.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I have never heard of this case, probably because of the "media lace curtain"
http://www.menweb.org/lacecur1.htm
October 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
One article in the Palm Beach Post quotes investigating police Lt. Gary Chapman as saying - "We believe the process of killing Jessica was pretty lengthy, in and out of the car," ... "She (Burger) obviously was out of her mind."
Were Burger still alive, a temporary insanity defense would be anticipated.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
roy Says: You have to jump through a lot of hoops to explain lesbian violence and still keep the patriarchy conspiracy theory alive. But I have seen it attempted.
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I've read that some studies found women instigate more DV episodes than men in hetero relationships. Could it be that there is a higher level of DV in lesbian relationships simply because you have 2 women involved thus upping the chances one or the other will push too far or hard in domestic quarrels?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
skeptical dad in Texas says: Even Nancy Grace probably won't cover this story since there isn't a male to crucify in it.
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I understand why men have a bone to pick with Nancy Grace over the way she covered the Duke University charges against the 3 men and then failed to apologize or even talk about the female false accuser when the truth came out. Men are fully justified in their dislike of Grace for that and men should let her know about it if they haven't done so already.
However, to say Nancy Grace only crucifies men is unfair. For the last 4 months or more every night on her show she has been crucifying Casey Anthony, the mother of a "missing" 3 year old girl. She has not spared any negative info or any negative opinions she has about this woman. She has been quite blunt about her for that matter.
I have seen Nancy Grace do this with other mothers who neglected, abused, abandoned, or killed their children as well. She has reamed them a new one on air and I've yet to see any man like Geraldo, Montel, Maury, etc. do the same WRT to mothers who are clearly bad mothers.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
it seems the modern "lace curtain journalists", are stepping over one another to "put lipstick on a pig"!!
She's a violent lesbian murderer...Lesbian relationships are statistically the most violent relationships in the U.S.
Why is that so hard to accept??????
October 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
perspicacious, a mother who kills/abuses children sometimes gets it from the media. but if she abused or killed an adult male, it's a different story.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
" Googled this story and read about a dozen other articles about it. The media can't even agree on the nature of the relationship between these two women. Some articles say they were married, some say they were domestic partners, some say they were just friends. "
According to the Palm Beach Post, they were married in Massechusetts in 2005.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
From the Palm Beach Newspaper: Examining the body, detectives absorbed what had been done to her. Stab wounds were clustered around the back of her head and stitched across her back and arms and face. Most were between an inch and an inch-and-a-half deep. A blow to Kalish's neck probably killed her, investigators determined.
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I am a true-crime junkie. I read the books and watch the TV shows like Cold Case Files (A&E real cases not prime time TV stuff) and Forensic Files. When a person is killed by 222 stab wounds that is considered "overkill" and the signs of a highly "personal" murder. Ditto when the wounds are found on or around the face and head. The killer tends to be someone the victim new and was closely involved with. There is rage--emotional rage involved in murders with these types of evidence.
This crime fits that criteria. It would seem unlikely that a stranger looking to steal some quick money would have done this much damage to a victim. I believe Burger killed Kalish and not some random stranger looking to mug her.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Jimbo Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
perspicacious, a mother who kills/abuses children sometimes gets it from the media. but if she abused or killed an adult male, it's a different story.
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Not always. Andrea Yates comes to mind. She systematically killed 5 kids and still managed to garner the sympathy of the media. In fact, they bent over backwards trying to pin the blame on her husband.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
"I'd love to know if when the suspect was questioned she told the police that a fat middle aged bald white male did it- that seems to be the feminist proto-type for ALL that is wrong with the world."
According to the Palm Beach Post, it's actually kind of interesting how it all went down... apparently Burger threw away Kalish's wallet and car keys into the street at some point. The next day, a passerby found them, and called their house to tell them so. Burger fielded the call, and immediately after that, she called the police to report Kalish missing. Shortly after that, the police found Kalish's body. As they were heading out to the house to question Berger, she apparently realized that her cover was already blown, and committed suicide.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
yes, i was outraged by that one. NOW started a defense fund for the killer and said she was a "victim of the patriarchy." meanwhile poor rusty yates lost all five of his children and he got zero sympathy from them.
October 30th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Perspicacious,
Yes, I wish Nancy Grace would find some new news other than the Caylee crime. But as Jimbo pointed out, Grace will crucify anyone who ALLEDGEDLY commits a crime against little children (FLDS comes to mind), and any man who ALLEDGEDLY commits a crime against a woman.
My real problem with Nancy Grace is that she makes her judgements based on speculation, hearsay, circumstantial evidence, and non-factual claims by outsiders not directly involved with the investigation. She finds people guilty before they have even been charged with anything. And any guest on her show who doesn't agree with her...she cuts them off and calls them names (like she called the judges of the Appeals Court and the Texas Supreme Court a bunch of morons for sending the FLDS children back to their families). I wonder if she was unsuccesful as a prosecutor, and if that is why she is in media now. Hopefully as her kids grow up, and she learns a few lessons in life about parenting, she'll realize what a jerk she has been.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Definitions are the method of choice for NOW and VAWA feminists. Define domestic violence as anything that isn't to a women's liking with the Duluth Wheel, and then define this killing as not domestic violence. NOW and VAWA feminists have no intelligent factual arguments, only self loving emotion.
Precisely TF. Controlling the language allows for control of the conversation. They want male violence against female to be the default of of DV. You know how they say that when it comes to things like religious figures, politicians, leaders, and so forth the man is the default and the female is the variation? Well when it comes to DV they want male on female to become not just the default definition but the only definition.
October 30th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
sorry folks but this is NOT a DV case. I refer you to the Duluth Model as espoused by among others The Family Place in Dallas.
Under the Duluth model men and ONLY men commit DV therefore this does not qualify as DV
much as i'd like to say i am being sarcastic the sad part is this is EXACTLY how it's viewed by many agencies including the police and media
October 30th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
mca says - Why is that so hard to accept??????
Because if it is accepted, then any woman who is not a lesbian also must come under scrutiny and NOW and other radfem organizations will lose much of their power. So they will continue to say that it is an abberation. If society starts to view women and violent and predatory, the matriarchy will come to an end. They would have to be..........EQUAL...and they can't have that.
Power and money - that is what feminism is fighting for. No matter what they publicly claim.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
DCR,
You are right about this not being DV. If we compare this case to this other case (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445184,00.html), we see several things in common, and just one difference for why this is not DV:
-married couple in both cases
-killer tried to cover tracks in both cases
-a woman died in both cases
-both involved use of a car to move the body
-no documented history of domestic violence in either case
-no prior criminal record by either killer
one difference: a man was involved in one, and no man was involved in the other
Conclusion: DV only happens when a man does it
October 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
# Jimbo Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
perspicacious, a mother who kills/abuses children sometimes gets it from the media. but if she abused or killed an adult male, it's a different story.
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No disagreement from me on that point. It is almost as though the media doesn't consider men to be "real" people.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
skeptical dad in Texas says: I wonder if she was unsuccesful as a prosecutor, and if that is why she is in media now. Hopefully as her kids grow up, and she learns a few lessons in life about parenting, she'll realize what a jerk she has been.
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The following comes from a bio page about her that seems to work like Wikipedia so I'm not sure of the accuracy of the statement:
"Nancy compiled a perfect record of nearly 100 felony convictions at trial and no losses, however some of those convictions were later overturned by higher courts."
The link is: http://www.tv.com/nancy-grace/person/177721/biography.html
Yes, NG is very opinionated and often rude to her guests (but never to her callers). I often find her abrasive, too but she doesn't take a bleeding heart liberal approach to *every* criminal she covers on her show like so many other shows often tend to do. That, if nothing else, is refreshing.
The "good" news is that NG has a new story to focus on--the Jennifer Hudson family murders in Chicago. Casey Anthony was on the back burner last night and may be for some time to come.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I'm not a lesbian but I do find women to be a lot more vicious than men. What I mean is they are more vicious with women than they are men. I don't think this is limited to lesbians, but women in general. So I'm not surprised that this is more common among lesbian unions.
Whatever the case, this doesn't make news because it doesn't fit the stereotype "appropriate for the masses."
October 30th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
yes, i was outraged by that one. NOW started a defense fund for the killer and said she was a "victim of the patriarchy." meanwhile poor rusty yates lost all five of his children and he got zero sympathy from them.--Jimbo
Are you serious???? This reminds me of the ridiculous stunt pulled by the NAACP, going to bat for criminals (Dunbar Village) than for victims.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Spreading the Wealth
Perspicaious says: "No disagreement from me on that point. It is almost as though the media doesn't consider men to be "real" people."
PK responds: That sentence caused a "click" sound to go off in my head (should have that checked out). Here's my epiphany: Perhaps chivalry is only half responsible for the contempt or indifference our society has for men. Maybe the other half is marxism and the concept of entitlement and the world owing us a living.
Many people now believe that the government exists to ensure we always have something to eat, free healthcare, housing, etc.and the support for this belief is the idea that the "rich" or those who have too much are just being greedy and not sharing it with those who "need" it.
One of the most serious 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not steal" and it's one of those commandments that people just love to break even if in principle: Copying MP3's, sneaking into the movie theater, etc. it makes us feel good to steal especially if there's no apparent victim or it's some big corporation.
Men are the bourgeoise. We exist to work hours and transfer wealth to the needy, women and children. In this magical utopian system, "everyone" will have everything they want, at soemone else's expense of course, but the guy-behind-the-tree will foot the bill. That's largely anonymous, working men.
It's amazing to me when men continue to buy into this schema even after they are victims of it. I literally know of men living in their mother's attics because they're broke or going without work for years hoping for socialism to come and save them. Yeah, sure. Just keep waiting. Have some more cool aid...
October 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
The Huffington Tribute was published BEFORE it was known that Carol did it. They did put a link to the updated story. They have offered to help the Kalish's.
They WERE married, they were seperated but living in the same house as they were dealing with trying to sell it.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
anonfriendofsister Says:
"The Huffington Tribute was published BEFORE it was known that Carol did it. They did put a link to the updated story. They have offered to help the Kalish's."
they stuck a link at the bottom of the tribute: it said click here for an update. they didn't mention anywhere that the update was that their heroine was a murderer. My point was that a man who savagely murdered his ex, no matter how well thought of beforehand, would not get such a respectful and glowing tribute. have you seen any tributes to OJ lately? i am certain that the tragedy would be used in that case to launch a series of articles by the Huffington Post on abusive, violent men and their innocent female victims. where is the article on abuse in lesbian relationships? since there's no man to bash, the article will probably never appear.
October 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
The Huff Post has posted an update explaining what really happened but they havent ammended the original post- it is still a glowing endorsement. Seems unlikely that the "tribute" wouldnt have been either ammended or removed if the murderer was a man and his victim a woman.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Jimbo Says: have you seen any tributes to OJ lately? i am certain that the tragedy would be used in that case to launch a series of articles by the Huffington Post on abusive, violent men and their innocent female victims.
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I know you didn't mean it this way, Jimbo, but it seems to me that almost everyone who mentions OJ and his crimes forgets to either remember or mention that OJ also murdered a vibrant young man named Ron Goldman. Ron shouldn't be forgotten or failed to be mentioned. He deserved to live a long life every bit as much as Nicole did and unlike Nicole, he was a total outsider to the DV dance she and OJ and had been apparently engaged in with one another for years. Ron's only "mistake" was in being a nice guy and returning a pair of sunglasses to Nicole.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I wonder how many more people will have to die before the general public will finally wake up and realize that women can be just as violent as men, if not more so.
Domestic violence is not a male vs female issue, it's a matter of people with severe emotional problems (male and female) and the people who are harmed by them. Until those who want to combat domestic violence get a grip on reality and come to terms with this fact, there will never be any significant progress made on this issue.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
one less vote
October 30th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
LorMarie - "I'm not a lesbian but I do find women to be a lot more vicious than men."
As a father of two daughters (now in their twenties), I still recall the years of "girlfriend wars" (5 -17) that were the source of most of the conflict and anxiety in my girls' lives.
It was like a clinical study in female pathology to witness what these "normal, nice" girls would inflict upon one another. Rumor mongering, shunning, daily insults, even the occasional assault.
My primary way of parenting in this situation was to teach them how to throw a punch, but more importantly, to be completely indifferent about what other girls think about you. Because it changes all the time.
Neither daughter ever had any real problems with boys. Probably because they were beautiful and desirable and the boys just wanted to date them.
Tragically, the girls continue those girlfriend wars tactics well into adulthood.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Roy: "Neither daughter ever had any real problems with boys. Probably because they were beautiful and desirable and the boys just wanted to date them."
Goodness, Roy, your daughters are a true rarity these days.
Remember the old "Boys not allowed" mantra girls expressed when they grow that some still carry on? While I respect some of it as a neccessity for girls to have their private space, it can go so far into "Boys are gross" territory and lead to "Men are (insert derogatory stereotype here)"
What do you think?
October 30th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Dave Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I wonder how many more people will have to die before the general public will finally wake up and realize that women can be just as violent as men, if not more so.
Answer : Lots.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Eagle 30 - My daughters can break hearts just by walking down Michigan Avenue.
Neither girl is cruel. They are expert flirts. They fully understand the advantage of their beauty. But they are not naive either.
I simply taught them that they should never depend upon a man for their security or identity. Make your own way, find your own voice, follow your own path.
Question everything and never submit to any authority in any way.
I really like how they are evolving as the covert revolutionaries I had in mind when I conceived them in Grenada and Nicaragua.
If only I could get them to stop shopping for shoes!
October 30th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Eagle30 Says: Remember the old "Boys not allowed" mantra girls expressed when they grow that some still carry on? While I respect some of it as a neccessity for girls to have their private space, it can go so far into "Boys are gross" territory and lead to "Men are (insert derogatory stereotype here)"
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I think little boys are more notorious for feeling that way about little girls. See "The Little Rascals" movies from the 1930's featuring Spanky as president of the "He-Man Girl Haters Club or 1950's TV shows like Leave it to Beaver when he very reluctantly makes friends with a girl...Violet Rutherford or even 1980's comic strips like Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin's intense dislike for Susie and also for his babysitter, Rosalyn were regular features of the strip.
That's not to say little girls don't express the same feelings towards little boys. If true, it just doesn't seem to be as well recognized.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
perspicacious said...
Whereas big girls get away with the same even in instances where it's supposedly illegal. Women only this. Women only that.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
My primary way of parenting in this situation was to teach them how to throw a punch, but more importantly, to be completely indifferent about what other girls think about you. Because it changes all the time.--Roy
Most of my problems in middle and HS were with girls. There were some problems with boys when I decided to have interracial freindhips...sort of like being labeled a traitor since I always refused to conform. But ultimately, it toughens you up. I firmly believe that women should learn to defend themselves physically and mentally.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
LorMarie: "I think little boys are more notorious for feeling that way about little girls. See "The Little Rascals" movies from the 1930's featuring Spanky as president of the "He-Man Girl Haters Club or 1950's TV shows like Leave it to Beaver when he very reluctantly makes friends with a girl...Violet Rutherford or even 1980's comic strips like Calvin and Hobbes where Calvin's intense dislike for Susie and also for his babysitter, Rosalyn were regular features of the strip.
That's not to say little girls don't express the same feelings towards little boys. If true, it just doesn't seem to be as well recognized."
I wish it were recognized because it seems little boys are easy targets these days and girls get away with it.
Another thing I desire is for this baseless generalsing to dissappear between the sexes. "Girls have cooties", "Boys are gross". Do we really need this conflict?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Eagle30 Says:
LorMarie: "I think little boys are more notorious for feeling that way about little girls.....
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Just to clarify...LorMarie didn't say that. I did.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Wait, what do yo mean by "If true"? It's true, LorMarie. Come on, you're not denying this are you?
And those examples you site are from way in the past. It's not the 1930s anymore nor is it the 1950s. Today, boys want to understand girls. Only girls can get away with clinging to the "Boys are gross" mantra by hiding behind "Girl power". If a boy expressed the same attitude, he'd be judged and ostracized.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Oh. Ooops
Sorry. I meant Perspicacious.
But why did you have to add "If true"? It's true.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Eagle30 Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Oh. Ooops
Sorry. I meant Perspicacious.
But why did you have to add "If true"? It's true.
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Because I don't personally know it to be true of little girls. When I was a little girl we liked to hang around with little boys and the little boys didn't always appreciate that. Little girls liked playing boy games like cowboys and various ball games like softball and basketball. OTOH little boys didn't like hanging with us little girls because little boys didn't like girl games like playing House or stuff like baby dolls and Barbie's. That's my experience growing up in the 60's. Maybe things have changed since the 1930's, 1950's, 1960's...but personally I doubt it.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:07 am
Perspciacious: "Because I don't personally know it to be true of little girls. When I was a little girl we liked to hang around with little boys and the little boys didn't always appreciate that. Little girls liked playing boy games like cowboys and various ball games like softball and basketball. OTOH little boys didn't like hanging with us little girls because little boys didn't like girl games like playing House or stuff like baby dolls and Barbie's. That's my experience growing up in the 60's. Maybe things have changed since the 1930's, 1950's, 1960's...but personally I doubt it"
That's sad.
But nowawadays, girls can say they think boys are disgusting and get away with it.
October 31st, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Impossible!
Women are sugar and spice and everything nice, don't ya know.........Only a MAN could have perpetrated such a heinous crime. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
November 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
This is where I have to get up on my neo-socialist soapbox. Without appology..
America is NOT pro-family. Far from it.
If you look at what is required to maintain nuclear families, then you have to consider things like - secure employment, affordable housing, universal healthcare, maternal and paternal leave from work when babies are born, reasonable annually guaranteed vacations, a pro-marriage legal system, excellent public transport, paying smart people to go into teaching instead of Wall Street, addressing the actual roots of urban crime, and yes, ridding the country of the vampires who are bleeding the middle class.
Look at any European country and compare their quality of life with the "dog-eat-dog" culture we appear to value.
I am shocked that women are allowing the American family to be destroyed.
They have the power to turn it around.
Why don't they use it?
November 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
PERSPECTIVE
222 X at one stab per second would take 3 minutes 42 seconds.
I do not have the patents to stir food ingredients’(Exaggeration but you get the point) let alone sitting there stabbing someone that you loved at one point, sitting in their blood and finding another place to stab them where it is not duplicated so someone can actually find 222 stab marks!.
Logic dictates that this took more than 222 seconds also.
b
November 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Eagle30 Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
And those examples you site are from way in the past. It's not the 1930s anymore nor is it the 1950s. Today, boys want to understand girls.
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Eagle30,
Speak for yourself and your boys! My son and I figured out along time ago that the moment that you think you have figured out a woman/girl THAT is when THEY will change the rules. Why be a masochist? LOL
b
November 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Fredrico The Gruesome Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Impossible!
Women are sugar and spice and everything nice, don't ya know.........Only a MAN could have perpetrated such a heinous crime. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
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You are right it is the jilted insecure heterosexual male of the species from the 20th that came back to figure out what he did to Jessica to "make" her become gay because he had to know. Carol then came home caught them together and assumed the worst and did not buy into the story that they are "just friends now." When he left that is what "made" Carol go nuts {we all can understand that, men always drive women nuts] and she grabbed a kitchen knife because the ex boyfriend made her insecure and he made Carol kill Jessica so that if Carol could not have her then no one could. [Carol stole this mantra from the patriarchy knowing what is good for men is good for women].
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November 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pm
roy says: I am shocked that women are allowing the American family to be destroyed.
They have the power to turn it around.
Why don't they use it?
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Because they are having their cake and eating it, too. The best of both worlds, the worst of neither.
November 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Bernie Says:
Eagle30,
Speak for yourself and your boys! My son and I figured out along time ago that the moment that you think you have figured out a woman/girl THAT is when THEY will change the rules. Why be a masochist? LOL
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Freud never did figure out the answer to his question, "What do women want?" The answer is simple and never really changes.
Women want toasted ice. ~old Arab proverb
November 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
What this woman did was really horrific. people don't just drop dead from a stab wound like in the movies. The victum struggled, made noises gasping for breath and may have been alive for more than a few minutes as she painfully died fully aware of who was killing her.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
perspicacious,
LOL (-=
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November 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 am
perspicacious -- "Women want toasted ice." ~old Arab proverb
That is priceless! I am shocked that I never heard it before.
It basically means, women want something that is not obtainable, right?
Now, that is a very interesting insight into the psychology of women. Logically, it means that women want what they know they can never have.
I think you can buy the nearest thing to toasted ice at the jewelry counter at the mall.
You know what is really funny? I have never met a man who wished he was a woman. But I have met a lot of women who wished they had been born male.
Why is that?
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
roy Says:
November 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 am
perspicacious -- "Women want toasted ice." ~old Arab proverb
That is priceless! I am shocked that I never heard it before.
It basically means, women want something that is not obtainable, right?
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Me: Apparently so.
Roy: I think you can buy the nearest thing to toasted ice at the jewelry counter at the mall.
Me: But if you did would that make the woman in your life happy? If yes, for how long before she wanted something else or something more?
Roy: You know what is really funny? I have never met a man who wished he was a woman. But I have met a lot of women who wished they had been born male. Why is that?
Me: I don't know. Perhaps some women resent the biological functions they can't escape from for being female even if they don't ever want to give birth to children.
I don't even know if that statement is true of grown women so much as it is with some little girls. I've always enjoyed being female and I believe most women do, too and why not? Women have always enjoyed perks never extended to men. I don't care how many women deny that fact and carp about what they don't have rather than appreciate what they do have----deep down inside I believe most women know the truth.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
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