Too Thin/Not Too Thin
March 16th, 2007 by Glenn Sacks, MA for Fathers & FamiliesI hate to sound PC, or whatever, but most of the women in the widely distributed "America's Next Top Model" ad below are just too damn thin for my tastes and, I think, for most men's. The blonde lady in green near the bottom (who looks like she was just liberated from Buchenwald) and the black lady in blue at the top right are the worst of the lot, IMHO.
TOO THIN
As a service to my readers, below I have a few pictures of a woman who I think is beautiful and is not too thin. If readers have other suggestions, feel free to email me the URLs or pictures at glenn@glennsacks.com.
NOT TOO THIN
Singer Lisa Scott Lee:
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March 16th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
I am not sure I understand the ideals of the women you are suggest are attractive. Perhaps if you post some more pictures, I will learn. I am a slow learner though, so you may have to post quite a few pictures.
(But you are absolutely right to point out the two that you did. Get them a sandwich, quickly! And yes emaciation and bones do nothing for me.)
March 16th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Well, this shouldn't be any shock. This is the show that retains the one and only Twiggy as a judge. Still, every season they keep in a couple of token "plus-size" models. You can recognize them by the fact that their physique approaches human normalcy. What always depresses me on that show is that inevitably every season there is one girl who is slightly less-emaciated than her competitors (other than the plus-sized ones, of course) and she struggles with it... never mind that this extra bit of meat gives her the nicest body on the show (eg. last season's Anchal).
March 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
All parents should be concerned about this type of show, more-so if you have a daughter. With daughters the concern should be obvious. With sons, they can get the wrong idea if their parents do not talk to them about it. We do not watch it in our house simply because the way they treat their bodies and live their lives is BS. I worry about my daughter thinking she has to look like this, but I also don't want to watch it just because I think it is disgusting. At 5'2" and 140 pounds, if you don't like it, then don't look at me. With age comes other things, doesn't bother me one bit. These girls are much taller than me, yet weigh less than I ever did. When I was their age group it was closer to 115 pounds, but I had a high metabolism and had not had my child yet. Ah youth, it is wasted on the young........
March 16th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Honestly, Glenn, I don't know where you're going with this one... I come here for fathers' and mens' rights info. Whether I agree or not, if this is what the blog will be about, I'll eventually stop paying attention. And an invitation to judge women by their appearance seems to uniquely undercut some of the more substantial bits here... It's your blog, I'm just lettin' you know...
March 16th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
How about this is a wake-up call for all parents? If you have children then custody, CS, etc. should not be your only concerns. I'm just saying..............
March 16th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
As a father of girls, their perception of their body image is very important to me. Their diets, the media they are fed, etc.
I think the amount of attention that emaciated women get is appalling and detrimental to them. I think that diseases like anorexia and bulimia are a sure fire way to cut down the life of a wonderful human being. I think these diseases are induced in girls and women by the parading of these stick figures and by the unhealthy attention given to the Paris Hiltons.
This is again, another front on which fathers rights groups and womens rights groups should be able to discuss and coordinate.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
jerry, you are so right! ALL parents should agree on this.
Your comment makes me think of another situation, only sort-of along these lines. OK, it has nothing to do with this, but is important to me. A good friend on mine, a known male-basher who I am working on, is a parent to two boys (elementary age). I know her history with her ex, and he truly is a horrible person all around, so can sort-off see where she is coming from. I have been working on her for a while and am making some progress, making her see not all men are like "him". My finest moment, I think, was when I said to her one day "do you hate your children?" She was shocked that I even asked, for I know how much she loves her children. I pointed out to her that by saying all men are so horrible, she is saying her children are that horrible because they are both males. What was worse, her boys did sometimes hear what she said about men, so you can imagine what was going through their heads. She no longer talks that way around them ever, doesn't even fight with her ex in front of them, and she is getting better at not bashing men at all, not even when in a group of women. Am I patting myself on the back? You bet I am. She was a tough nut to crack, but I finally got through to her, and the world will be better for it. At least I like to think so.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
I'm not so much troubled by the show as much as I am how many posters have seen it and can detail last years winner! I've got a blip on my gaydar! Just kidding.
I agree with Glenn. We all know what the real scoop is. The fashion industry is controlled by gay men, and like waif like sexless women, because let's face it: they hate the natural female form (it's hard to make dresses fit onto curves).
I occasionally watch Trading Spaces with my wife (okay time for the return pot-shots about gaydar blips). One of the designers on the show is Genevive Gorder. And she is a good picture of a plus sized woman who is quite attractive.
As you can see here:
http://realitytv.about.com/od/realitystarbios/ss/GenevieveBio_6.htm
http://www.hicelebs.com/gallery/genevieve_gorder/1.html
The simple fact of the matter is healthy women are supposed to have fat deposits and curves. The only sources that tell women this is NOT so are women's magazines, etc....
Rarely do you ACTUALLY here men telling their women to lose weight unless they (the men)are mean-spirited, or the woman are at unhealthy (and unattractive) weight levels.
But, this is a mainstay of feminist wrath, but they never dare direct at the culprits (gay men) or all hell will break lose.
March 16th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
I hope so too, thank you.
March 18th, 2007 at 11:16 am
Personally, I like long lean woman. ;).....but I would rather be in a relationship with a woman who was comfortable with her own wieght than one who was constantly fretting over it.
March 19th, 2007 at 8:49 am
I was just rereading Andy S's comment and couldn't help but think, Hey, this is Glenn's blog, if you don't like the content, start your own. Frankly, I like this posting, and I agree 100% with Glenn.
March 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
Fair 'nuff, SGMLEE. But just like you ask a politician to focus on what interests you, or call a TV station to request they keep a good show, I'll voice my opinion that this particular thread goes astray from the issues that brought me here. There are lots of physical-image focused sites and blogs. As a reader, I will (and have) visited the sponsoring sites, contributed to causes, and refer others to the site. I don't disagree with the comments. It's just that I come here for the fathers' and mens' rights topics.
But hey, everyone's free to say what they want... peace.
March 20th, 2007 at 9:06 am
"thin" is not about health.
Look at *most* of the skinny models, and you will see that they are not *skinny* at all...
Look at their ribs... if you can't see any ribs, they are not underweight...
Some people are tall, some are short. Some blonde, some brunette. Some have big barrel-chests, heavy hip-bones and broad shoulders. Some have slender frames. It isn't unhealthy to be slender, if that is how you are built.
March 20th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
I agree with PartTimeParent and all the women in the photo are attractive to me. I also like the looks of Tyra Banks and have always, whether or not she is chubby or rail-thin. Hot Hot Hot!!! So is Lisa Scott.
March 20th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
I would be willing to bet the two women that Glenn first pointed out are anorexic, and if they did not have on so much make-up or if the picture were taken closer you would see other evidence of it in their faces.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Looks and intelligence are distractions from the real woman - things like her personality and character traits, her skills, knowledge, experience and wit. I would take an authoritative, confident woman who believes she is worthy and behaves like it over a woman with a nice waist-to-hip ratio and 180 IQ. This is from experience.
March 20th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
BTW, what do you mean Glenn by 'As a service to my readers...' in this blog entry? I think this post was fine except for what this implies. It implies that we are being served pictures of attractive women, as readers of a men's activism blog. I may or may not have problems with this, can you please explain more about why you are offering this service to us readers, before I pass judgement? Thanks
December 11th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
I decry the pressure to be model-skinny - on models as well as everyday women.
BUT I sense some sentiment to jump on the "antigay backlash band wagon" in the statement that gays "control" fashion and that they "hate" voluptuousness in women's bodies. I suspect female fashion victims at all levels of the industry are strongly complicit.
It might benefit everyone to hear some comments from fashion industry people, gay male, straight female or whatever.
I also agree with Will that beautiful + intelligent ain't all there is. (See the "B1tch" character on TV's "House" as an example.)
Finally, I
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