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Warren Farrell on the ’Wage Gap’

April 29th, 2007 by Glenn Sacks, MA for Fathers & Families

The best recent work on the alleged wage gap was done by Warren Farrell in his book Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap And What Women Can Do About It. Warren's newest release--"How the AAUW Pay Equity Study Undermines Women"--details fallacies with the recent assertions of widespread wage discrimination against women. It is reprinted with permission below.

Warren, whom I consider the intellectual wellspring of the men's movement, will be speaking at the Third National Men's Equality Congress July 13-14 in Washington D.C. Warren can be reached at warren@warrenfarrell.com.

How the AAUW Pay Equity Study Undermines Women

By Warren Farrell, Ph.D.

April 24 is Pay Equity Day. Hillary Clinton is leading a protest against the alleged discrimination behind the gender pay gap, and introducing the Paycheck Fairness Act. The AAUW (American Association of University Women) is publicizing a study that appears to document the discrimination against women reflected by the gap. And restaurants are giving discounts to women to help compensate and show support.

When I was on the Board of the National Organization for Women in New York City in the seventies, I also led protests against the male-female pay gap. And I also assumed the gap reflected both discrimination against women and the undervaluing of women.

Then one day I asked myself, "If we can pay women less for the same work, why would any one hire a man?" And if they did, wasn't there a punishment--called "going out of business?" In other words, did market forces contain a built-in punishment against discrimination?

The answer to what the pay gap was really about became more than theoretical as two daughters entered my life. After a decade of research for Why Men Earn More, I discovered 25 differences in men and women's work-life choices. All 25 lead to men earning more money; and all 25 lead to women having better lives--lives more balanced between work and home. (Since real power is about having a better life, well, once again, the women have outsmarted us!)

As it turns out, the road to high pay is a toll road. High pay is about trade-offs. Men's trade-offs include working more hours (women work more at home); taking more-dangerous, dirtier, and outdoor jobs (garbage collecting; construction; trucking); relocating and traveling; training for more-technical jobs with less people contact (engineering); taking late night shifts; working for more years; being absent less frequently...

These are just ten of the twenty-five variables that must be controlled for before we have a reasonable case for discrimination. And they don't include three of the most important variables: one's specialty, sub-specialty and productivity.

The AAUW study sees discrimination when women earn less in their first jobs after college graduation. I see it as more helpful to my daughters to know that women earn less because they are far more likely to major in languages, arts and social sciences, and men are far more likely to major in engineering, technology and the hard sciences that everyone knows ahead of time pay more. Now my daughters have a choice.

Is the pay gap, then, about men and women's choices? Not quite. It's about parents' choices. Thus women who have never been married and are without children earn 117% as much as their male counterparts.[1] (The 117% comparison controls for education, hours worked, and age.) Why? The decisions of never-married women without children are more like men's (e.g., they work longer hours and don't leave their careers), and never-married men's are more like women's (careers in arts, etc.). The result? The women out-earn the men.

The crucial variable in the pay gap is family decisions, not work decisions. And the most important family variable is the division of labor once children are born: the tendency for children to lead to dad intensifying his work commitments and mom intensifying her family commitments. This is the major reason the pay gap goes from 20% to 31% as women and men get older--a reason not publicized in the current AAUW study.

The pay gap, then, is not the problem. It is a reflection largely of family decisions that we may or may not wish to change. The law can still attend to discrimination, but not by starting with the assumption that the pay gap means discrimination.

Does the change in division of labor once children arrive imply mothers sacrifice careers? Not quite. Polls of people in their twenties find both sexes would prefer sacrificing pay for more family time.[2] In fact, men in their twenties are more willing to sacrifice pay for family than women (70% of men; 63% of women). The next generation's discussion may not be "who sacrifices career?" but "who sacrifices being the primary parent?" The real discrimination may be discrimination against dad's option to raise children.

Don't women, though, earn less than men in the same job? Yes and no. For
example, with doctors, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) lumps physicians and
surgeons together. The male doctor is more likely to be the surgeon (vs. a GP),
work in private practice (vs. HMOs), for hours that are longer and less
predictable, and for more years.[3] In brief, the "same job" is not the same.
When these variables are accounted for, the pay is precisely the same. What
appears to be the same job ("doctor") is not the same job.

Are these women's choices? When I taught at the School of Medicine at the
University of California in San Diego, even in their first year I saw my female
students eyeing specialties with fewer and more predictable hours (dermatology,
psychiatry). Conversely, they avoided specialties with lots of contact with
blood and death, such as surgery.

But don't female executives also make less than male executives? Yes.
Discrimination? Let's look. Comparing men and women who are "corporate vice
presidents" camouflages the facts that men more frequently assume financial,
sales and other bottom-line responsibilities (vs. human resources or PR); they
are vice presidents of national and international (vs. local or regional) firms;
with more personnel and revenues; they are more likely executive or senior
vice-presidents. They have more experience, relocate more, travel overseas more,
and are considerably older when they become executives...[4]

Comparing men and women with the "same jobs," then, is still to compare apples
and oranges. However, when all 25 choices are the same, the great news (for
women) is that the women make more than the men.[5]

Is there, nevertheless, discrimination against women? Yes. For example, the old
boys' network. And sometimes discrimination against women becomes discrimination
against men: in hazardous fields, women suffer fewer hazards. For example, 798
Marines have been killed in the War in Iraq; 792 are men; six are women (as of
April 23, 2007).[6] In other fields, men are virtually excluded--try getting
hired as a male dental hygienist, nursery school teacher, cocktail waiter, or
even selling men's clothing at Wal-Mart.

The problem with focusing our binoculars only on discrimination against women is
that the publicity those lawsuits generate leads us to miss opportunities for
women. For example, we miss 80 fields in which women can work, for the most
part, fewer hours and fewer years, and still earn more than men.[7] Fields such
as financial analyst, speech-language pathologist, radiation therapist, library
worker, biological technician, funeral service worker, motion picture
projectionist.... Thus women focused on discrimination don't know which female
engineers make 143% as much as their male counterparts;[8] or why female
statisticians earn 135%.[9] Go figure.

I want my daughters to have their binoculars focused on empowerment rather than
on victim power. To know that pharmacists now earn almost as much as
doctors.[10] As I took my binoculars off of discrimination against my daughters,
I discovered opportunities for my daughters.

The biological instinct of men is to protect women. When there was no societal
permission for divorce, husbands supplied women's income for a lifetime so women
had the protection of an income-producer who could not fire her. When divorces
became more common, the government became a substitute husband.

The instinct to protect women trumped rational analysis of whether unequal pay
was caused by discrimination or by the differences in men and women's work-life
choices. It prevented us from even thinking of radical questions such as Do men
earn more than women because men define power as feeling obligated to earn more
money while they die sooner? And if so, is Mens tendency to earn more than women
because they have less privilege (fewer options) than women? Is the pay gap not
about male power, but about male obligation and female privilege?

[1] U.S. Census Bureaus Survey of Income and Program Participation, 2001 Panel,
Wave 2. The exact median earnings for the women are $46,896; for the men,
$39,996. Latest available data as of 2004. I began investigating this in 1990.
The gap was about the same then--women earned 116% of what their male
counterparts earned. (U.S. Bureau of the Census, Current Population Survey,
March, 1990. Data compiled on request by Bob Cohen of Mathematical Policy
Research, March 10, 1991.)

[2] Radcliffe Public Policy Center, Life's Work: Generational Attitudes Toward
Work and Life Integration, (Cambridge, MA.: Radcliffe Public Policy Center,
July, 2000). The Harris Interactive Poll was commissioned by the Radcliffe
Public Policy Center. The Poll also found 80% of men 21-39 put a flexible work
schedule at the top of their list of desired job characteristics. See also Joyce
Madelon Winslow, Dads Can Learn from Moms, USA Today, July 12, 2000, p.15A.

[3] Lawrence C. Baker, Ph.D. Differences in Earnings Between Male and Female
Physicians, The New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 334 No. 15 (April 11,
1996), pp. 960-964. Table 1, p. 961. Dr. Baker is at the Department of Health
Research and Policy, Stanford University Medical School. Data are from the 1991
Survey of Young Physicians, which included 3425 males and 1143 female. Besides
specialty and practice setting, the other variables used were medical education
(type of medical school, ranking of the school, graduate degrees other than an
MD, and taking a leave of absence during medical school), experience, personal
characteristics (age, race or ethnic group, marital status, and parenthood
status), the community in which the physician practiced (urban or rural, income
per capita, proportion of population over 65 years of age, percentage of
patients who were black or Hispanic, and the U.S. census region), AMA
membership, specialty-board status, number of concurrent practices, and whether
the physician had ever been subject to a claim of malpractice.

[4] Korn/Ferry International and UCLA Anderson Graduate School of Management,
Decade of the Executive Woman: Survey of Women In Senior Management Positions in
the Fortune 1000 Industrial and 500 Service Companies, p. 22. The Korn/Ferry
survey found the male executives work more hours, do more travel, do more
moving, earn more MBAs, have more job continuity, and are about four times as
likely as women to have 25 or more years experience with their company. The male
executives were found to make more of almost all of the sacrifices discussed in
Why Men Earn More.

Concerning participation in bottom-line endeavors by women vs. men, Ilene Lang,
Catalyst President, finds that women fill less than 10% of the 6,428 corporate
line positions at Americas largest companies. Lang is cited in Joanne Cleaver
and Betty Spence, All the Right Stuff: the National Association of Female
Executives Analysis of the 2004 Top 30 Companies for Executive Women, May 10,
2004, p. 1. The point here is that comparing male and female executives is like
comparing apples and oranges. What leads to women being less likely to be in
these positions is the subject of other portions of Why Men Earn More, such as
goals.

[5] This conclusion results from assessing all twenty-five variables described
in my Why Men Earn More. Since many variables overlap, the precise degree to
which women earn more is impossible to assess.

[6] Department of Defense, Directorate for Information Operations and Reports,
as of December 2, 2006, from
http://siadapp.dior.whs.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/oif-deaths-total.pdf.

[7] U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Table A-26, Usual Weekly Earnings of
Employed Full-Time Wage and Salary Workers by Detailed Occupation and Sex,
Annual Averages 2003 (unpublished table).

[8] Female sales engineers (e.g., an engineer trying to get Boeing to
subcontract with her company) earn 143% of their male counterparts. U.S. Bureau
of Labor Statistics, Table A-26, Usual Weekly Earnings of Employed Full-Time
Wage and Salary Workers by Detailed Occupation and Sex, Annual Averages 2003
(unpublished table).

[9] U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Table A-26, Usual Weekly Earnings of
Employed Full-Time Wage and Salary Workers by Detailed Occupation and Sex,
Annual Averages 2003 (unpublished table)..

[10] U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employment and
Earnings, (Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Labor Statistics, 2004) pp.
249-253, Table 39, "Median Weekly Earnings of Full-Time Wage and Salary workers
by Detailed Occupation and Sex" and unpublished Table A-26, Usual weekly
earnings of employed full-time wage and salary workers by detailed occupation
and sex, Annual averages 2003.

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  1. kenboiraq Says:

    Not to forget they often consider child support as neither income for the recipient nor expense for the donor. Imagine how much that little oversight skews the statistics.

  2. callum828 Says:

    I find it hard to believe a potential president is spewing lies with no consequences. I'm a democrat, but I wouldn't vote Hillary, she is a joke. This is especially bad since paying people less based on their gender was outlawed in the 60's, and even then it was a minor problem.

  3. SouthernDad Says:

    One of the often overlooked issues concerning pay equity is that, in many cases, women's wages aren't raised to the level of men's to achieve balance. But instead, men's wages are often dropped down to match those of women. This would only make more sense to an employer wanting to keep labor costs in line. This causes a catch-22 for men because when something like that happens, men are forced to work even more hours, take more hazardous jobs or even take a second job just to provide for his family. This requires him to away from his family even more. So in the end both genders suffer.

  4. jw Says:

    I collect Canada Pension Plan Disability. My monthly payment is less than that of a woman with an identical history; about $15 less. That's because the way the law states calculations for people who were fulltime single parents before men were allowed access to the child care provisions of Canadian Federal Law, (1985).

    I have not once in my life seen a feminist take a stand against discrimination against men. Or a leftist take a stand against discrimination targeted at men. Or ...

    We cannot fix these problems without working on everyone's problems.

  5. JeanB Says:

    I'm a woman and I don't buy all the garbage that men earn more simply because they are men. I know all the arguments are out there, but my primary thought is if you have a male and female counterparts and all is equal (education, experience, seniority, position, etc.) and the man earns higher pay the company would have a very hard time justifying his higher income, and have just opened themselves up for a lawsuit. I really don't think there are any companies out there dumb enough to actually set themselves up like that.

    As for Hillary, she is just scary to me. Like most Democrats, she jumps on the PC bandwagon. If it is not a PC issue then she will not give you the time of day. Democrats are also among the worst when it comes to men's rights, they are too busy fighting for the "underdog women". Note: It is PC to fight for women's rights, but it is not PC to fight for men's rights. Right about now you are thinking I am pulling for all Republicans and that I think they are willing to fight for men's rights. If that is what you are thinking then you are wrong. I am not very happy with them, either, when it comes to the subject of men's rights. But in the overall scheme of things at least Republicans will fight for what is right for our country, even if it isn't PC and they end up in the hot seat. When it comes to men’s rights, our best bet is Rudy. His history is not the cleanest, but whose is? Everyone has skeletons in their closest, but his have already been let out. At least he understands what men go through when faced with family court hell and a vindictive ex-wife.

  6. Foo Says:

    I think associating Hillary with mainstream democratic thought is unfair - Hillary is a bizarre, extremist wing of the Democrat party. Her extremism is invisible to Democrats because most Democrats are required to think of themselves as moderate socialists and feminists, just like how Republicans are required to think of themselves as conservative and moral - as such, the extremists blend in.

    Hillary knows her constituency - the CNN-fan. The frightened, cheesecake-eating housewives of America. The people who keep reality-TV and scare-news-stories on the top. Notice her conspicuous lack of dissent in the War In Iraq - she can't really back out of the issue and admit fault because she capitalizes on the same kinds of scare tactics that launched the war. Misandry and fear sell well to them, so she sells it big. No different from any other fear-and-hate-monger like Buchanan, Jesse Jackson, etc.

    Hillary goes way beyond the people like Dean and Pelosi - she is a panderer of the worst kind.

  7. What’s Happening to Boys? « Don’t Marry Says:

    [...] the iceberg. Any man who is successful will still be considered to be victimizing all women because "Women still only make 76 cents for every dollar a man makes!" No matter what a man does it gets twisted into women being the victims of it somehow. The only way [...]

  8. GlennSacks.com » Blog Archive » Warren Farrell on the Pay Gap: 'If It's About Discrimination, Why Are Young Urban Women Earning More?' Says:

    [...] Background: The best recent work on the alleged wage gap was done by Warren Farrell in his book Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap And What Women Can Do About It. Below Warren discusses a recent New York Times article on the subject. To learn more about Warren's analysis of the wage gap, see Warren Farrell on the ’Wage Gap’. [...]

  9. Melina Harris Says:

    Well, at the top of the article you say the old boy’s network, well, yes, that is still there, the glass is still over my head, we call it the "Force of the Pale Male". That is still the main issue and not to be tossed aside as a small issue. You can 'empower and place women all you want and anywhere you want, but not at the top, at the top is still the will of the old boys network and the board of the Pale Male.
    I am a union carpenter. I can be better, faster, more prepared, better informed, better with the details above and below where I am working, better tooled, willing to work nights, out of state, and in the dirt. I still get the old boys network and get the low man on the totem pole. I don’t watch TV; I only read when I eat my salad and Boca burger for dinner. I don’t date; I see one movie a month, never have a drink if I am to work the next day, and am willing to take overtime any time. I have no kids, have no husband. I work, I eat, and I sleep. Um… do you have a list of these magic trade offs I don’t know about? What the hell else do you want me to trade off?
    Hillary is fighting for those of us you point to fighting on the front lines, making the sacrifices and still losing. I am president of Sisters in the Building Trades.org I am fighting for the war on the wage gap. I am doing my best to inform women of other options to make a better wage as well as fight the barriers we meet with the old boy’s network. You seemed to understand that we have to change the men as well as empower the women, have you changed your mind now that you have found with much research how to prepare and find a spot for your 2 daughters? The ERA needs to be in the constitution so that your granddaughters can decide to be what ever they wish to be.
    Wish me luck, I am fighting as is Hillary for your great-granddaughters, we will have made some progress by then with a lot of blood, sweat, tears and luck.

  10. Melina Harris Says:

    JeanB Says:
    And a note to Jean
    MiLady, All over America and in many other places, it is just that way, and if you ask to see someone's paycheck to ck the difference you could be fired. Didn't you know that? I have worked at several places where discussing who gets paid what is against company rules and I live here in liberal Washington State.
    And do you have any idea just what it takes to Sue the company? It's not an easy or fun thing to do. It is extremely rare. Even Sexual assault usually just leads the woman to leave the job. It is very rare compared to how often there is an issue that anyone pushes it.
    Kind of like the number of rapes vs. the number of reported rapes. And that is something that really upsets a lady, so you can understand that less, rather often just gets dealt with by the lady in her own way. Leave, Poke some one in the nose, complaint to a higher up or higher up than that, if that doesn’t work, get a new job, life, move, etc.
    It is hard to know where you are that you have been so sheltered. But I promise you this is true. I have been raped at gun point, I know the man's name, and it was not reported. I have been sexually assaulted at work more than twice. No, it was not reported more than to the owner of the company I was working for. I happen to know hundreds of like stories and have given hugs and an ear to vent at.
    Note to JW, you just met one. I have fought for father’s rights just as often as mom's rights. And I mean in person, in court. Not just a way of thinking or voting. We care, you are not forgotten, nor do we not notice that often the fathers get the S****y end of the stick. We are fighting for you as well. There are millions of us working on making things better, we will make a dent. :)

  11. kistov Says:

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  12. Pay CLOSE Attention to what is being PROJECTED « Don’t Marry Says:

    [...] This is why $.76 on the dollar is a sham. Men will always earn more in a free market because they are more intelligent, more productive, and bring more value to any enterprise. Socialism cannot work, it results in grand failure. ——————————————————————————– Re: Pay CLOSE Attention to what is being PROJECTED Post by Citadel on Dec 23, 2005, 1:11pm Quote:Citadel, in the former soviet union, women overtook men in several professions as well. Remember, feminism in that former communist country predates feminism in the west. What was the consequence? Any profession dominated by women loses its eminence, because women are dispassionate, lazy, and dull. Hence, today in Russia, physicians are at the same status level as high school teachers. [...]

  13. Nvypvsoy Says:

    Of course, but what do you think about that?,

  14. Adam Smith Says:

    As an academic economist, I can assure you that your thinking is pretty much in line with what economic reasoning predicts. Women earn less because they choose, for lifestyle and family reasons, jobs that pay less. Women who never marry or remain childless, do quite well relative to their qualifications.

    I should add that in most university circles, to argue as you do will lead to many colleagues refusing to be eat at the same table with you in the Faculty Club. At worst, it could lead to savage attacks by colleagues and angry women students and members of the community. There is no academic freedom on gender issues. Hence we economists TALK among ourselves along the lines of your thoughts, but we don't PUBLISH such thoughts. Economics is, BTW, the least politically correct of the core university disciplines.
    Many academics will not mix with us socially.

    It is true, BTW, that the feminization of a line of work leads to a decline in its relative pay and prestige.

    The easy divorce that swept through the USA 40 years ago, and the rising pay of married women, has had disastrous consequences for family stability and child rearing. I would support outlawing remarriage for parents of minor children. I should add that I have suspected for some years that there is a kind of woman who gets involved with a man for his semen: once she has the children she desires, she tosses him out, calls a lawyer, and demands child support. Many mothers seem to do all right on child support + decent office job.

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